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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Egmond Codfried: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mike111: [qb] Egmond - have you tried to track down any of the paintings from the upcoming Walters Art Museum event that I posted above? [/qb][/QUOTE][IMG]http://www.portfolio.com/images/feeds/blogs/blog-cosimo-de-medici-pontormo-large.jpg[/IMG] [Cosimo de Medici, son of the man who started the dynasty] [IMG]http://www.dl.ket.org/webmuseum/wm/paint/auth/bronzino/cosimo.jpg[/IMG] [Cosimo de Medici, Maria Salvati's son] [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Pontormo,_Maria_Salviati.jpg[/IMG] http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9403E4DD123EF93AA25753C1A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all Is this one of them? While I studied Medici portraits and personal descriptions I developed the idea of a 'fixed mulatto race.' The portraits are a mix of more realistic and whitened portraits of coloured folks. As I wrote; it boils down to the definition of Black. To me Maria Salvati, as well as the little girl is black. The family De Medici was black and married black. I found that there is a tradition of not idealising or 'whitening' small children. I also think that they were happy when a child with Classical African looks popped out, because it proved there is truly Blue blood in the family’s bloodline. For some time the little girl was over painted and not visible. Then they had it restored, but wanting to show that the child was Cosimo, to fetch a higher price. The reason for this over paint was explained as a rift in the family. But I belief that the afrocentric look of the girl was considered a problem as these eurocentrist still regard this family as white. So they covered her face. Now off course they say that only Alessando was (half-) black which I disagree with. They are a typical black family from the coloured race that took power with the Renaissance. [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/401_Lorenzo_de_Medici_05.JPG[/IMG] [Lorenzo de Medici: this is the type we find on these Russian icons. He does not look white to me!] [/qb][/QUOTE]Actually Edmond you are still telling lies and half truths. The only person in any of those portraits with African blood is the little girl. The GIRL is the daughter of Alessandro De Medici, who was of mixed ancestry. Therefore it makes sense that the girl would have African features. But that does not make the entire family of DeMedici into mixed Africans. That is NON sense. [QUOTE] Along with her father Alessandro de Medici's uniquely racial place in history, Giulia de Medici's portrait could also prove of some importance since an apologia for her blackness forms the basis of the iconographical elements of the painting. Due more than likely to Giulia de Medici's social position as a princess and the descendant of a number of popes, whoever assisted the artist with the symbolism he used obtained it from the Neo platonic concept of God as Divine Darkness still current in the theology of the time. Probably the most readily available exposition of this particularly Franciscan brand of mysticism was St. Bonaventure's Itenarium mentis in Deum orThe Soul's Journey to God. To fully appreciate the symbolism that was attempted in this portrait it should be pointed out that the Medici were in religious state matters, officially devoted to St. Francis. [/QUOTE]From: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/secret/famous/giuliademedici.html See here showing that the girl in the portrait is Guilia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Salviati [/QB][/QUOTE]
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