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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] The problem for you is that all you do is whine but produce nothing of substance. What I post is based on facts and evidence. You have produced nothing to contradict what is being said or what has been said in other threads about the FACT of black Africans being part of the Islamic empire in Europe and being an important factor in the development of civilization there. And you speak of historiography, yet you yourself are a hypocrite, because it is YOU who is talking historiography: [QUOTE] You want to tell us that the poorest, most backward section of the world is a pimary driver in the development of western civilization. To do this you will lie, distort, and warp facts while you insult hard working historians around the world. [/QUOTE]Which makes me laugh. Since when was "Western" civilization an ANCIENT primary source of civilization in the world? "Western" civilization is a recent occurrence that has nothing to do with the roots of civilization. The roots of civilization lay with the roots of human beings and those roots are in Africa. None of those roots originate in Europe and Europe is one of the last places inhabited by modern humans and has never been a primary cradle of civilization. So, history 101: where are the cradles of civilization and is Europe one of them? No. Is there a cradle of civilization in Africa? Yes. Therefore, you flunk Mr. Professor. What does a cradle of civilization mean Mr. Professor? It means a place where the fundamental patterns of thought, social organization and technological development were originated for the first time, providing the basis for all others that followed. Therefore, considering that Africa IS a cradle of civilization, you are therefore shown to clearly be violating your own rules about historiography and therefore need to take your own medicine and take a course on it. "Western" civilization as taught in most "Western" classrooms is nothing but historiography. Why you ask? Because most of what the "West" has to day is directly the result of ideas and technologies stolen from other people conquered by Europeans in the last 500 years and influences from Africa and Asia for thousands of years before that. Yet because of the histrionics of most "Western" historians (like you), this fact is downplayed and the idea propagated that the "West" is special because it developed all on its own with no input and influence from anywhere else. And as a perfect example of this "Western" mythology, lets look at something which is claimed as the epitome of the Western experience: The Cowboy. Not only do cowboys NOT originate with the Anglo Saxon settlers of North America, most of the cultural elements that go along with it do not as well. Cowboys are a direct influence of Africans and Asians on Europe, more specifically Spain and Portugal, which was transmitted to the Americas through conquest. As a matter of fact, you can even see the African/Asian influence in the Saber worn by George Washington crossing the Delaware. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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