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Kemp
Member # 16733
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Timbuktu was established by the Tuareg.

“A total of 129 individuals from two villages in the Acacus region, in Fezzan, were genetically analysed at the mtDNA level. The results here reported clearly show the low level of genetic diversity in the Libyan Tuareg sample, that is hypothetically due to high endogamy. Furthermore, phylogenetic analyses indicate that the mtDNA genetic pool of the Libyan Tuareg is characterized by a major “West- Eurasian” component, that is shared with many Berber groups and hypothetically comes from the Iberian Peninsula, and a minor “South-Saharan” component that shows some kind of relationship with Central and Eastern African populations… In many Northwest African populations, a significant component is represented by haplogroup U6. It is largely distributed in the Mozabites Berbers (28.2%) (Macaulay et al. 1999) and Mauritanians (20%) (Rando et al. 1998, Gonzalez et al. (2006). Lower frequencies of U6 are present in Tunisians (4.2%) and Moroccans (8%) (Rando et al. 1998, Plaza et al. 2003). It is worth noting that U6 is mainly found in Northern Africa but was also observed in Eastern Africa (Ethiopia 3%) (Kivisild et al. 2004). Recently, complete mtDNA sequencing of U6 and M1 haplotypes allowed to shed light on the phylogeny of these two lineages (Olivieri et al. 2006, Gonzalez et al. 2007). Both of them are predominantly North African clades that originated in Southwest Asia and spread together to North Africa about 40,000 to 45,000 years ago.” (“Holocene human peopling of Libyan Sahara – Molecular analysis of maternal lineages in ancient and extant populations of Fezzan”)

“The population exhumed from the archaeological site of Taforalt in Morocco (12,000 years BP) is a valuable source of information toward a better knowledge of the settlement of Northern Africa region and provides a revolutionary way to specify the origin of Ibero-Maurusian populations… Ancient DNA was extracted from 31 bone remains from Taforalt. The HVS1 fragment of the mitochondrial DNA control region was PCR-amplified and directly sequenced. Mitochondrial diversity in Taforalt shows the absence of sub-Saharan haplogroups suggesting that Ibero-Maurusian individuals had not originated in sub-Saharan region. Our results reveal a probable local evolution of Taforalt population and a genetic continuity in North Africa. The genetic inheritance of Taforalt population (12,000 years) is composed of: Eurasiatic component (J/T, H, U, V) and North African component (U6). Genetic structure of Taforalt: Eurasiatic Component : H, U, JT, V: 90.5% North African component: U6: 9.5 % 42, 8% (9/21) H or U; 14, 2% (3/21) JT; 2 individuals (9,5%) U6. In modern Human population, JT is present only in: 1,6% Berbers from the North of Morocco 1,8% of Sicilians, 1,6% of Italians. The hypothesis of a sub Saharan origin of the Ibero-Maurussians in the Sahara is not supported by our results, which show a population more typical of the Mediterranean in North Africa for the past 12,000 years. Our results support the work based on cranio-facial and dental studies showing difference between Ibero-Maurussians and their contemporaries in the Sudan. The presence of a sub Saharan component in North Africa is due to migrations after 12,000 BP.” (“Mitochondrial diversity in the Taforalt population (circa 12,000 BP, Morocco): a genetic approach to the study of the peopling of North Africa.” Rym Kefi, Alain Stevanovitch, Eric Bouzaid, Eliane Beraud-Colomb 2005)

All of these mythical black fantasies about ancient history can be easily refuted with a little investigation into such "claims". Timbuktu was also a slave center.
 
Kemp
Member # 16733
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Also, why is North Africa considered black when it comes to Egypt but when it comes to the slave trade in north africa the Arabs are to blame? It all depends on what you're are trying to claim, which is why afrocentric claims are so inconsistent.
 
Apocalypse
Member # 8587
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^May God have mercy on your tormented soul.

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Kemp
Member # 16733
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No rebutal ? As I though I am going to submit this to white-history.com.
 
Kemp
Member # 16733
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bump. I want a response from afronuts.
 
Kemp
Member # 16733
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bump again
 
Djehuti
Member # 6698
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^ What is there to say. There is NOTHING in the source that says Tuareg were 'white' or even "caucasian".

U6 is a mitochondrial lineage that arose *in Africa* how does this mean they are white?! LOL [Big Grin]

This claim is even more stupid than the claim that all the portraits of black royals I posted were 'Nubians'!! [Big Grin]
 
BrandonP
Member # 3735
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I notice that the first study cited by Kemp considers M1 to be Eurasian. Haven't we dealt with that assertion already?

Also, what are the other "Eurasian" lineages in these Tuareg?
 
Brada-Anansi
Member # 16371
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Lets say he was absolutely right,they still wouldn't be white enough to marry his sister,but for the perpose of history stealing they are white enough. Dude get over your self it's over white people or white skin is not special atlease no better than any other shade it's simply what it is white skin.Another thing while one can and should take pride in the work of the ancestors, remember those works are not your own. so if you are white living in a trailer park or black and living in some crappy tenenament building and all you do is bragged about the work of your ancestors chances are you won't amount to sh...it.
 
Charlie Bass.
Member # 10328
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Ignore the said troll, nothing it posted said anything about Tuaregs being white and none of the samples came from Timbuktu. mathidla is simply trolling under another name.
 
Djehuti
Member # 6698
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^ So 'Kemp' is actually Mathilda??!! [Eek!]

If that is the case, then that chick is sicker than I thought! [Embarrassed]
 
Kemp
Member # 16733
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Djehuti I've seen plenty of Caucasian looking mummies and statues. I challenge you to show me Black looking mummies and statues in the early dynasties. Provide the website link only. I will go there directly and look at it. The other Black supremacist showed a mummy from 800BC. By that time Egypt was Black because of sexual contact with the Nubians. This why the Greek historians saw Blacks in Egypt. Pure Blacks don't look diverse. You showed me pictures of Africans, but I don't know which nations they came from. DNA tests have proven Blacks in the north have significant semitic genes. The pics of Africans with light and straight hair and light skin can be because of their impurity or they simply colored their hair.
 
Djehuti
Member # 6698
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^ There is no such thing as "caucasian" because features like narrow faces, long noses, or even thin lips are not confined to peoples of the Caucasus mountains nor Europe! Also the hair of most mummies has been altered by embalming chemicals of mummification so you are DEBUNKED!
 
Red,White, and Blue + Christian
Member # 10893
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A Kemp,

You are so stupid. I've posted on the Tuareg of Mali and Niger many times. They are our people. The first Black person DNA tested was found to be Tuareg.

The iTargi of Mali and Niger (Southern Tamazgha) are not the same as the northerners.

This is Tinarawen, the Tuareg Blues band.



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Their music is great.


The Black Tuareg women preserved the Tifiangh language and write it here on the imzad(violin)

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The Tuareg were enslaved to produce indigo(blue dye) in the American south. Think blue jeans!

There are Tuaregs in Harlem speaking Tamasheq on the street.
 
Djehuti
Member # 6698
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^^ Yes, I can see that the Tuareg are very 'white' very Nordic indeed!

ROTFLOL
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Aryanus-Bullsheetus
Member # 16235
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But could not these Turareg represent a distant offshoot of the great Aryan race?

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