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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Red, White, and Blue + Christian: [QB] On October 31, 2007 Djehuti said in arguing with Maahes in Topic: Motion Picture: Goddess of the Sun : ".....You make the claim that the label 'black' as applied to people is not indigenous to Africa but was something created by Europeans. We not only have evidence of indigenous Africans using black as a name for themselves but even the Egyptians themselves since the true name they called themselves was Kememu!" and "....Again, you associate 'black' with only the darkest Africans like Nilotic peoples such as the Dinkas or Nuers. 'Black' in reference to people does not mean the actual color 'black' (which no humans have, but the darkest like southern Sudanese only come close to having). ' Black' simply means having very dark skin, which most indigenous Africans do have." and later ".....They called their nation Kemet NOT as a reference to the river valley silt but to their actual country. While they called lighter-skinned Asian and Libyan foes desretyw. Of course, the Egyptians themselves were not literally 'black' in color and no human being is! (not even Sudanese like Dinka, but they are close) They called themselves 'black' as a reference to their dark skin and because they saw the color as divine. Hence their ancestral god Ausar (Osiris) is known as Kem-Wer literally 'Great Black'." Maahes said: "....Black is a sacred colour. The peoples that were/are truly black as obsidian or onyx were also sacred in ancient times- so much so that we took to describing the peoples as the peoples of the black rock- literally the Egyptian term for the Men of Onyx. Nowhere in Tut's iconography does he describe himself as descendant of anyplace but Egypt. One of the issues here is transliteration. There are probably seventeen different words for Black in old Egyptian. In English we have but one word and it is used ad hoc as a one size fits all definition of Eurocentrics of old." ".... Iman is clearly of the Oryx lineage- the Ta-Seti and Thomosides are of this stock as is Anwar Sadat. Alex Wek is of the Black Rock." On November 2, Maahes said: "My family originally came from Somerkot valley between Dahklha and Khargha. About four thousand years ago, a good percentage of our peoples migrated to Upper Egypt proper. We are a matrilinear tribal clan. Land and water are passed down through women only. During the 13th century B.C. our ethnic minority was pushed by military force out of Upper Egypt for a time. Half of us returned to Dahkla and the others migrated south to the strong holds of the Inyotef Ta-Seti who in reaction to Hyksos/ Kushite collusion in the 13th Dynasty-17 dynasty- had taken up permanent residence in a kingdom somewhere in the highlands of Ethiopia probably somewhere near present day Eritrea. " "...Naturally, the Abysinnian branch of our family remained in fairly close contact with the Western Desert branch from dynastic days through to the Christian era. One branch of our tribal clan migrated to Siwa. These were largely men only and of the Ma'ahes caste. Anyone familar with Hadendoa tribal clan is looking at the easternmost branch of our people." Doug M said: "Maahes Hadendoa is another name for Beja groups along the Nile Valley. Beja, Bisharin, Hadendoa are all names for the same peoples." On November 3, 2007 Maahes said: "...It is clear that Queen Tiye should be respected as co-regent and acting sovereign as her husband Amenhotep lies on his deathbed. The fact that Tiye is of Nilotic descent is never a topic in the story- and why should it?" On November 6, Maahes wrote: "....Nomadic Peoples of the Black Rock were simply not interested in political machinations of the Egyptians. This doesn't mean there weren't any dark skinned African hereditary chiefs mind you- just no Fur, or Nyala kings in Egypt. The term Pharaoh is a misnomer and is used incorrectly in most instances. The Governmental Body is the Per Aa. There may have been any number of individuals, be they viziers, hereditary princes, royal wives, priestesses or administrators whose ethnic origins would have been referred to as stemming from the black rock." and later "...The peoples of the Black Rock are the true blacks. They own the term. Everyone else should just be happy that they have permanent tans if they have them that is. We can't all be as beautiful as the Black Rock. Khnum made them better than the rest of us. I've gotten over it. Maybe you should too? I'm stuck being whatever my ancestors called themselves. In America i can be Black but i know its like speaking two languages. It can mean one thing in one language and something entirely different in another. I could never be Black in the definition of the peoples who share the same ancestral wadis and sebkhets and have forever. They don't hate me for it. They have their own incredible history and culture. I can't claim it for my own. No one in my genetic history can claim to have walked back and forth between Chad and Libya since the Holocene. The Peoples of the Black Rock can trace their ancestors footsteps for millenia." What does the DNA Analysis tell us? From: Y Chromosome Variation Among the Sudanese 2008, The Nilotic groups possess the most ancient lineages of A M13, B M60 and also E M78. While the Beja and Copts and other AfroAsiatic Speakers have many lineages including J1 and R1b! Small amounts of A and B Y chromosomes exist with AfroAsiatic speaking Sudanese groups. BTW, African Men according to a Hammer 2005 .pdf possess A M13 and B M60 at 1.1% and 0.8% respectively. The people who are the so-called "Nubians" carry 8 different Y chromosome lineages including I, J1. J2 and R1b! ------------------------------------------------- The Ancient Nubians in AE paintings are usually jet Black in color with Negroid features. The modern "Nubians" are mixed. A and B are the oldest lineages for living men period. The earliest inhabitants of the Nile were the ancestors of the Nilotics. The earliest Egyptians were Nilotic. The Ancient Egyptians called themselves Kememu because they were jet Black in color. The gods of Kemet were deified individuals who actual lived in the remote past. Ausar was a jet Black Nilotic man. The original old Kingdom pharaohs were very Black with Negroid features. I've seen it in books that I could not scan at the time. The people of the Oryx, the followers of Set were reddish brown like the modern Somalians and Beja. They made war against the original jet Black Egyptians who followed Ausar. That's what the Ausar/Set story was probably really about. The war is between men over the patrilineages even today. The women were spared. The women were native Africans as well. Auset, Neith and Hetheru lived on. Consequently, the followers of Set won. The People of the Black Rock - the Nilotic MEN are being hunted and killed even as I write in South Sudan and Darfur. The women are captured for the other side. Even New Kingdom TaSeti pharaohs had jet Black wives. Nothing has changed. Not only have paintings and statues been altered, but the true physical legacy of the first Kememu is being wiped out without a true understanding of how they fit into the AE framework. THE NILOTICS ARE THE REAL NUBIANS AND FIRST ANCIENT EGYPTIANS. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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