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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Marc Washington: [qb] . . I just don't like Doug's presumptuous, know-it-all attitude that he thinks gives him the right to barge in and define the race his ancestors profited so mightily from. It catapulted them from impoverishment in medieval Europe resulting in the transformation of that continent into a global super power many times over: genocide to kill the African owners of land and resources and the enslavement of its peoples and confiscation of its raw materials and mineral riches engineered and sustains their empire. You ask, [i]It is their Johnnie-come-lately off-springs by phonotype with the liter-skin and lank-hair that gets to be called Asians??[/i] Unless someone in the Fareast of Southeast Asia specifically had woolly, kinky, or wiry hair as the first row in those pictures, I'd personally call them Asian. If they have stiff, straight hair, I'd call them now Asian though their grandmother or grandfather might have looked like anyone in Harlem. WHY I USE THE TERM AFRICAN AND TRY TO ISOLATE THAT POPULATION: I have almost zero interest in who was African [b]after[/b] the 1600s. My interest is in Africans before the 1600s and when their roots are traced back to times before whites and Monguls arrived, we see they almost always began the cultures and civilizations that preceded them that the incursive peoples preserve, carry-on, and deceitfully take credit for. For instance, whaling. It was the provenance of the Ainu and from them, the world began the tradition and also in Japan. But, the Ainu were, by appearance, African. It was (by appearance) Africans who introduced whaling. And the smoking of tobacco: http://www.beforebc.de/all_america/900_america/02-16-900-20-SE.chi.bon-80-500-15-10-01.MayansSmokingCigarettes.html Granted, it can be argued that both whaling and smoking are negatives. But, if we did it, flaunt it. Everyone else makes hundreds of billions of dollars from industries we founded. We might as well take psychological credit as its originators. But, there are hundreds of things presently conventions in the world (for instance, the canoe) which began by Africans. We need to take credit and this is why I go to such pains to identify ancient Africans and spell-out their accomplishments. That is all we have left. Knowledge of the legacy of their accomplishments. When I do point-out the presence of phenotypic Africans in Southeast Asia and the Far East, it is only to lay the basis to understand that the ancient foundation culture was also African. We were the ones who carved nations out of forests; built the first cities; established art, law, music, religion, science in those places. Whites and Asians took what we created. We only have knowledge of our creatorship and that legacy we need to claim and that is what I am about. This is what Doug M and his kind try to keep the lid on and why he gets so spooked and spastic every time I say the word African for people fitting the term (note I didn't say "black"). Call them anything but African. Doug's type can't live in a world of people who know they stole our legacy and people who know their great value. . . [/qb][/QUOTE]Clyde you are not clarifying anything because there are Africans with naturally straight to curly hair. NO FEATURE of the human phenotype originates with whites, except white skin. The FIRST people with straight hair were the aboriginal blacks of the world who developed straight hair. As can be seen by the Australian Aborigines, the people of India and others who have had such features FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. You simply are resorting to outdated notions of human phenotypical variation which has been utterly decimated by the fact that ALL human biological features ultimately originate in Africa. Therefore trying to put whites as the origin of human features other than white skin is retarded. I agree that many of the populations of South East Asia before the 1600s had kinky hair, but A LOT OF THEM DID NOT. They are called Negritoes for exactly this reason. However, the first people with the typical so called "Asian" features WERE BLACK. I agree that the Negrito type is one of the oldest types, but that was not the ONLY type of aboriginal black population in Asia. In fact, the closest relatives of those aboriginal black negritoes in Asia are the people of Melanesia and the pacific. And THEY TOO have varied hair textures and features, which makes it clear that such features DID NOT originate with whites. That is tantamount to saying that these people have white ancestry: Australia: [IMG]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3020/3096723773_e82db8dbe6.jpg[/IMG] http://www.flickr.com/photos/morgan1/3096723773/ [IMG]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3292/2808012440_2c91be102f_o.jpg[/IMG] http://www.flickr.com/photos/rustystewart/2808012440/in/set-72157620973228722/ [IMG]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2802/4120947005_e7e23b075b_o.jpg[/IMG] http://www.flickr.com/photos/rustystewart/4120947005/in/set-72157620973228722/ [IMG]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2622/4120947177_c349643c29_o.jpg[/IMG] http://www.flickr.com/photos/rustystewart/4120947177/in/set-72157620973228722/ They are closely related in terms of features to other aboriginal populations throughout Asia and the Pacific: Solomon Islands [IMG]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2601/3665095694_4017f02559.jpg[/IMG] http://www.flickr.com/photos/18204059@N00/3665095694/in/set-72157620631672628/ [IMG]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2626/4116824434_5f8570477f_b.jpg[/IMG] http://www.flickr.com/photos/44776970@N02/4116824434/ [IMG]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2710/4116053639_50bd6a9a7b_b.jpg[/IMG] http://www.flickr.com/photos/44776970@N02/4116053639/in/photostream/ [IMG]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3125/3173281219_857d0f5b67.jpg[/IMG] http://www.flickr.com/photos/araki/3173281219/ And it is from these types of populations that ALL non Africans get their features from: people of India, Asia, Europe and the Americas. So even before white skin developed you had aboriginal populations that had ALL TYPES of features: round eyes, straight eyes, straight hair, curly hair, blond hair, brown hair, black hair, black eyes, brown eyes, blue eyes, thin noses, thick noses, thin lips, thick lips and so on and so on. THAT is the point you keep missing. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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