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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MindoverMatter718: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by fawal: [qb] [QUOTE]There were no ad-hominems just simply speaking the truth, since Mathilda is incredibly biased and bigoted when doing her research, and so I see right through you if this is who you adhere to, understand? And the reason no one bothers with Mathildas videos is because she has to approve comments posted to her board of which you don't really know if it would ever be posted due to her biased approach, basically if she doesn't like what you say she'll simply block you. Whereas here, you can come express your thoughts as you want to, there's no moderation here, but you damn well better be sure your feelings are backed by actual evidence other than your own flaming emotions (all you mathildites know how to do)!! Because you're going to be called out on it!! [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]If you really want to discuss the Moors, then there are plenty of threads that deal with it here at ES you can post in...where you won't be moderated or deleted for having opposing views. [/QUOTE]Yeah right! Way to dodge having to actually address the points in that video. I'm going to ask you again, and hopefully this time I'll get a response out of you: If the the Moors were Black Africans, then why is it exactly that all the art that is contemporaneous with the Andalusian period shows them to be non-Black? How is it exactly that the Ancient Carthaginians and Numidians were Black Africans when their art show them as non-Black? Why is it exactly that Ancient Egyptians showed the Ancient Libyans as creme white? I've read through those old threads on the Moors and they're full of all sorts of nonsensical circular reasoning - people are using Gregorian portraits that date hundreds of years after the Medieval Period as some sort of "proof" that the Moors were black-Africans, when the very art they themselves left behind clearly shows that they were not! [/qb][/QUOTE]Again, if you want to discuss the Moors then go into the threads intended for such, because I didn't make ANY comment about the Moors instead I laughed at your source which is Mathilda. I'm still laughing because you still don't get it. [QUOTE]Originally posted by fawal: [qb] [QUOTE]Where did I ever profess to be an expert in any of the disciplines discussed? Do tell...or is this just a strawman distraction? You're telling me you don't posses the intellectual capacity that would provide you with an ability to produce an unbiased analytical interpretation of scholarly papers, especially when you've been reading them for years? Now back to the question you ran away from last time and seem to be doing now; Which mainstream scholars profess that modern Egyptians are the same as ancient Egyptians? What's taking you so long? [/QUOTE]What strawman distraction? :confused: I don't see how thats such an invalid question. You all expect people to take your word over that of the seasoned egyptologist, anthropologist, or archeologist in the field as it concerns matters on North African historiography;[/qb][/QUOTE]Sorry, but are you slow? What we discuss here is the work of mainstream Egyptologists anthropologists etc...that is why you can't refute it and have still failed to show us the scholars who maintain that modern Egyptians were same as the ancients right...whats taking you so long? [i]Which mainstream scholars profess that modern Egyptians are the same as ancient Egyptians?[/i] [QUOTE]Originally posted by fawal: [qb] I don't see why its such blasphemy to inquire as to what qualifications you all actually have. [/qb][/QUOTE]Actually it's a strawman distraction from actually addressing what mainstream scholars say about the areas in question. [QUOTE]Originally posted by fawal: [qb] Because the harsh reality is, that most in the academic world do not agree with any of you. The sentiments expressed on this site are that of a fringe minority. If you all truly believe that the "work" that you all do here is propelling any form paradigm shift your sadly mistaken. [/qb][/QUOTE]Really? So where does the [URL=http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=001258;p=1#000000] [b]following derive its information[/b] [/URL] indicating ancient Egyptians, especially southern Egyptians, exhibited physical characteristics that are within the range of variation for ancient and modern indigenous peoples of the Sahara and tropical Africa? And can you refute it? [i][b] "There is now a sufficient body of evidence from modern studies of skeletal remains to indicate that the ancient Egyptians, especially southern Egyptians, exhibited physical characteristics that are within the range of variation for ancient and modern indigenous peoples of the Sahara and tropical Africa.[/b] In general, the inhabitants of Upper Egypt and Nubia had the greatest biological affinity to people of the Sahara and more southerly areas." (Nancy C. Lovell, " Egyptians, physical anthropology of," in Encyclopedia of the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt, ed. Kathryn A. Bard and Steven Blake Shubert, ( London and New York Routledge, 1999) pp 328-332)[/i] http://books.google.com/books?id=XNdgScxtirYC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Encyclopedia+of+the+Archaeology+of+Ancient+Egypt&client=firefox-a [QUOTE]Originally posted by fawal: [qb] [QUOTE]Lol, you're obviously projecting lil fellow, you're the one who thinks he's "white" and wants to be accepted by "white" society...not me! [/QUOTE]LMFAO! What projecting! North Africans have been classified as white since ages ago. My residency permit lists my race as white. Whenever I travel to Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece or Cypress, I'm often times mistaken for a local. Afrocentrists just hate the fact that North Africans are seen as such, due to the fact that it automatically puts their claim to the civilizations of the north in jeopardy. [/qb][/QUOTE]No, you're not white and would not be in America where this classification of white derives. North Africa was not the same as it is now as it was in ancient times, modern coastal north Africans have a significant amount of Eurasian ancestry...mostly on the Maternal lineages, which means Africans were taking your wanna be white southwest Asians and Euros as wives... ;) [QUOTE]Originally posted by fawal: [qb] [QUOTE]What is a "Caucasian/Caucasoid"? What are the cranial features associated with "Caucasian", when and where did these cranial features associated with "Caucasians" arise, and amongst what group/population of people? [/QUOTE]Oh please! Caucasian does not exist, yet the even more vague terms "Black African" and "Tropically Adapted" do? I mean really, you all apply those two terms so loosely, all in a desperate attempt to claim some remnants of civilization. Most of the people that you all use as examples of black Africans in North Africa (and even the Near East!) look like whites dipped in bronze. :rolleyes: [/qb][/QUOTE]I asked you if you can answer the question about what cranial features are indicative of "Caucasoid" not to go off topic about what terms some people use and do not use. I didn't ask you if it was a valid term I asked you to explain what "Caucasoid" features are and when and where they arose, amongst what population, obviously you can't answer it.. If you gather the courage to do so, the question is right here... [i]What is a "Caucasian/Caucasoid"? What are the cranial features associated with "Caucasian", when and where did these cranial features associated with "Caucasians" arise, and amongst what group/population of people?[/i] [QUOTE]Originally posted by fawal: [qb] [QUOTE]What fringe tenets of Afrocentrism do I embrace? Do tell... The ancient Egyptians being indigenous tropically adapted Africans coming from the south to north, is far from Afrocentric historiography, it's actually been proven time and time again, through the numerous mainstream studies provided and discussed here time and again. [/QUOTE]Main Tenets of Afrocentrism: 1) The Ancient Egyptians were Black Africans. 2) Ancient Egypt was the fount of modern day Western Civilization. 3) Blacks were responsible for the spread of agriculture amongst the Fertile Crescent. 4) Blacks were the progenitors of Greek Civilization. 5) The Etruscans either were, or had a sizable, Negroid population. 6) The Carthaginians and Numidians either were, or had a sizable, Negroid population. 7) Hannibal was a Negro. 8) Nefertiti was a Negress. 9) al-Andalus was the product of the collective efforts of Medieval blacks. 10) Afro Americans have a right to lay claim to a history that does not, in any way shape or form, belong to them. 11) There is a systemic conspiracy amongst Western Academy to hide "the true history of blacks" as a means of maintaining racial superiority. 12) Whites invented AIDS as a means of genocide against blacks. 13) There is a solidarity amongst all the dark skin peoples of the world, and as such, Afro Americans have the right to claim the histories of the Dravidians(Elam), Pacific Islanders(Khermer), and Native Americans(Olmecs) as products of their own. 14) There is a systemic effort by Western Powers, driven mostly through overt racism, to keep Black African states economically disenfranchised. 15) There is minimal, if any, Eurasian admixture in the Nubians, Sudanese, Ethiopians and Somalis. 16) The modern day descendants of various ancient peoples have little, if any say, in how their history ought to be interpreted. I could go on for hours on that list, but I'll stop right there. If you believe at least ten out of those sixteen that I have listed, you are an Afrocentrist! [/qb][/QUOTE]I didn't ask you to list the tenets of Afrocentrism, I asked you to show me where and what tenets I adhere to, since you accused me of adhering to such, obviously you were talking out your ass... ;) [QUOTE]Originally posted by fawal: [qb] And the notion that the Ancient Egyptians were Black Africans is far from mainstream. Only Afrocentrists believe that. [/qb][/QUOTE] :rolleyes: [b]Ancient Egyptian as an African Language, Egypt as an African Culture [/b] [i]The origins of Egyptian ethnicity lay in the areas south of Egypt. The ancient Egyptian language belonged to the Afrasian family (also called Afroasiatic or, formerly, Hamito-Semitic). The speakers of the earliest Afrasian languages, according to recent studies, were a set of peoples whose lands between 15,000 and 13,000 B.C. stretched from Nubia in the west to far northern Somalia in the east. They supported themselves by gathering wild grains. The first elements of Egyptian culture were laid down two thousand years later, between 12,000 and 10,000 B.C., when some of these Afrasian communities expanded northward into Egypt, bringing with them a language directly ancestral to ancient Egyptian. They also introduced to Egypt the idea of using wild grains as food.[/i] ---Chris Ehret [/QB][/QUOTE]
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