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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bob_01: [QB] Yawn. You'd expect the most parsimonious position is that: 1. Egyptians were indigenous. Most modern Egyptians today approximate the most with Nile Africans to the South. That is especially apparent according to genetics. 2. Egyptians would fall under the range of "Negroes". That is dark skin, approximating towards "African" complexion, as suggested by biochemists who have a hell lot better understanding of measuring melanin than you. The NK samples were described as [QUOTE]As for Dr Hawass, well, he was right again. Two years ago he said the younger lady was most likely Tut's mother Kiya....bingo, he was correct. We also know now that the red headed Elder Lady is indeed Queen Tiy. [/QUOTE]Why do welders talk? You know, that health care system of yours will blow up soon. It's clear that you're out-of-your mind. Please cite actual literature. Can Blacks not develop "red" hair considering much of the population have dark brown hair? What the hell do you know of modern Egyptians, or Mediterraneans for that matter? I've seen darker hair amongst those populations than say, the Sudanese. There are Black-skinned populations with blonde hair, such as those in Australia and numerous in Africa. The frequency could be a hell lot higher. Have you considered that similar red haired figures have been found in South America? This welder will probably suggest that these populations "Caucasian" as well, even though outside of hair-type, the population resembled Negroes in the south. Since there is this huge obsession with parroting what some government official says. You know, one who has never taken a biology course in his life, has no authority on the topic, and is specializing in a low GPA area. No offense, but let's keep genetics to the experts, with extensive experience, who'll then post the results under a reputable journal that deals with human genetics. To end this topic, I'm going to parrot the masses too, but this time, the mainstream press of the delta city, Cairo: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Bob_01: [...] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Bob_01: [QUOTE]Originally posted by fawal: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Bob_01: Seriously, I couldn't care less about what Berbers in the NW think, especially when they're not even Nile peoples. The truth is, mainstream Egyptian portals state what I'm stating: [QUOTE] The Egyptians see themselves as essentially sumr, or "dark". However, for all intents and purposes this is a most confusing and contentious term. If an individual is described as asmar, the masculine, or samra, the feminine, they [b]could range in colour from the southern Sudanese ebony or indigo black, a west African chocolate or mahogany black, the various copper and honey-toned Ethiopian and Somali types, to the olive or ****off-white dark-haired Mediterranean or Middle Eastern-looking type****. [/b] [...] Upper class Egyptians, often fairer than their poorer compatriots, invariably look down on lower class Egyptians who tend to be darker in complexion. There is a subtle correlation between lower income and darker complexion. The Egyptian upper classes and elites tend to be noticeably lighter in complexion than their poorer and working class compatriots. "They labour in the sun," is sometimes the cynical explanation. But, a more accurate explanation would be that Egypt has for thousands of years been ruled by foreign, and lighter-skinned, invaders -- ***Persians, Greeks, Romans***, Arabs, ***Turks***, the French and British. A large section of the pre-revolutionary Egyptian elite could trace their ancestry to Balkan, Caucasian and Turkish roots. [b]Moreover, Napoleon Bonaparte's French expedition was notorious for sowing its seeds in places like the Delta city of Mansoura whose women are reputedly "exceptionally beautiful"; in Egyptian common parlance that means fair-skinned, with light-coloured eyes and hair.[/b] [URL=http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2002/598/li1.htm]Link[/URL][/QUOTE][/QUOTE]Have you heard of Al-Ahram? Do you know the history of this newspaper? I'd suggest doing some research, before assuming that this piece is from some Afrocentrist source. Returning to the article, who the hell do you think those off-white people are? I'd suggest visiting Iran and Turkey. You'd see both which the piece above clearly suggests is a foreign element. That is certainly not being suggested of those who'd fall under Black: [QUOTE] Not only are the poorer classes darker in complexion, but they tend to display more *****"African"**** cultural traits. Much of the music they enjoy has rhythmic beats that are reminiscent of those of the music of Africa ****south ****of the Sahara, with an emphasis on drums and percussion. The elite tend to favour classical Western-influenced music or Middle Eastern (Turkish and Persian) musical strains dominated by stringed instruments. While the poorer and working classes are more likely to dance spontaneously and with abandon in public, the elites tend to be more restrained. Much clapping and ululation accompanies street parties in low income areas, the elites, in sharp contrast, shun these ****"baladi"**** literally "country" traits, suggestive of the African. [/QUOTE]PS: I suggest shutting up, Fawal. Maybe I'd join the many who **** young women from your land. However, I wouldn't want to mess around with such dirty people. Please tone down your ego. [/qb][/QUOTE]I ask pride, do you understand that Al-Ahram is one of the leading news portals in Egypt? It predates the internet and is as mainstream as ABC or FOX. The irony is that this portal is government-owned, so it's quite far from Afrocentrism. So I ask, who are these off-white people being referred to? Why are those traits being described as foreign to the Nile? That is, brought by invaders, while those dark complexions aren't framed in a similar manner. In other words, you're talking of people who would resemble Nile populations even today. Those fair traits in the North, as suggested by Al-Ahram is of foreign, "Persians, Greeks, Romans,[...], Turks, the French and British" origin. It is that clear and being stressed by mainstream sources as well. No one is going to mix up Iranians with the British, especially when they're noticeably darker. [/QUOTE]The million dollar question. Why the **** do modern Egyptians virtually everywhere stand out amongst Lebanese or Turks? Why are these off-white traits referred to as foreign? Why is the marginally-lighter-than-West African traits not referred as such? Why in the world is this mainstream article maintaining academia, not to mention our position. And, if the issue of "race" (if that's what you'd run this all under) doesn't matter, why the hell is it being being discussed by Al-Ahram? This discussion, as said before, is really over, and you're just clutching on straws. Hurry up and break down fast. PS: White donkey, stop assuming we're you're "American" brothers. I'd **** on your flag, and I'm sure that's even the norm in much of greater Europe. Now, please, go and hug Doug_M or Wally, if this negrophobia bullshit is severely troubling you. I swear, white 'people' (even the "soft" spoken Horemheb) really represent a messed up culture, and this isn't an attack on African-Americans. Those archives could be accessed clowns, and with simple techniques could be organized so easily. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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