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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bob_01: [QB] Reposts my post, since it clearly demonstrates that I'm the better person on this thread. Just observe will brand the second-largest news print outlet in Egypt "Afrocentric": [QUOTE]Originally posted by Bob_01: [qb] [...] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Bob_01: [...] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Bob_01: [QUOTE]Originally posted by fawal: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Bob_01: Seriously, I couldn't care less about what Berbers in the NW think, especially when they're not even Nile peoples. The truth is, mainstream Egyptian portals state what I'm stating: [QUOTE] The Egyptians see themselves as essentially sumr, or "dark". However, for all intents and purposes this is a most confusing and contentious term. If an individual is described as asmar, the masculine, or samra, the feminine, they [b]could range in colour from the southern Sudanese ebony or indigo black, a west African chocolate or mahogany black, the various copper and honey-toned Ethiopian and Somali types, to the olive or ****off-white dark-haired Mediterranean or Middle Eastern-looking type****. [/b] [...] Upper class Egyptians, often fairer than their poorer compatriots, invariably look down on lower class Egyptians who tend to be darker in complexion. There is a subtle correlation between lower income and darker complexion. The Egyptian upper classes and elites tend to be noticeably lighter in complexion than their poorer and working class compatriots. "They labour in the sun," is sometimes the cynical explanation. But, a more accurate explanation would be that Egypt has for thousands of years been ruled by foreign, and lighter-skinned, invaders -- ***Persians, Greeks, Romans***, Arabs, ***Turks***, the French and British. A large section of the pre-revolutionary Egyptian elite could trace their ancestry to Balkan, Caucasian and Turkish roots. [b]Moreover, Napoleon Bonaparte's French expedition was notorious for sowing its seeds in places like the Delta city of Mansoura whose women are reputedly "exceptionally beautiful"; in Egyptian common parlance that means fair-skinned, with light-coloured eyes and hair.[/b] [URL=http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2002/598/li1.htm]Link[/URL][/QUOTE][/QUOTE]Have you heard of Al-Ahram? Do you know the history of this newspaper? I'd suggest doing some research, before assuming that this piece is from some Afrocentrist source. Returning to the article, who the hell do you think those off-white people are? I'd suggest visiting Iran and Turkey. You'd see both which the piece above clearly suggests is a foreign element. That is certainly not being suggested of those who'd fall under Black: [QUOTE] Not only are the poorer classes darker in complexion, but they tend to display more *****"African"**** cultural traits. Much of the music they enjoy has rhythmic beats that are reminiscent of those of the music of Africa ****south ****of the Sahara, with an emphasis on drums and percussion. The elite tend to favour classical Western-influenced music or Middle Eastern (Turkish and Persian) musical strains dominated by stringed instruments. While the poorer and working classes are more likely to dance spontaneously and with abandon in public, the elites tend to be more restrained. Much clapping and ululation accompanies street parties in low income areas, the elites, in sharp contrast, shun these ****"baladi"**** literally "country" traits, suggestive of the African. [/QUOTE]PS: I suggest shutting up, Fawal. Maybe I'd join the many who **** young women from your land. However, I wouldn't want to mess around with such dirty people. Please tone down your ego. [/qb][/QUOTE]I ask pride, do you understand that Al-Ahram is one of the leading news portals in Egypt? It predates the internet and is as mainstream as ABC or FOX. The irony is that this portal is government-owned, so it's quite far from Afrocentrism. So I ask, who are these off-white people being referred to? Why are those traits being described as foreign to the Nile? That is, brought by invaders, while those dark complexions aren't framed in a similar manner. In other words, you're talking of people who would resemble Nile populations even today. [/QUOTE]Why are the off-white people described in such a manner? Seems rather odd, that they are deemed as part of a foreign influx. The same isn't said of the darkies. The working class (remember, this is Egypt, not US) represent the majority, so it gives you a rather good idea of the nature of the people. Certainly no "Caucasians" here. Seems like Black folks to me. It's just a shame that Horemheb will continue to grasp onto straws with his petty, no material, one-liner posts. This behavior would be considered retarded in the Academia, but probably not in the world of welders. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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