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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kalonji: [QB] [QUOTE] [b]Originally posted by Gaul: [i]Purely your opinion[/i] and your own stance on what I clearly explained. "Dirty laundry" is exactly what it is, no matter who the audience is. [/b][/QUOTE]Let's consult the dictiorary then.. [i]dirty laundry n. Informal Personal affairs that could cause embarrassment or distress if made public: Let's not air our dirty laundry in front of our guests. Also called dirty linen. [/i] Again, implying a certain degree of care about the opinion of other people. Whether or not you meant this, the fact remains your choice or words imply this. If you disagree, take it up with the dictionary. [QUOTE][b] Originally posted by Gaul: How so? It's not on me to provide the documentation. I didn't say it since I don't even believe it to be true in the first place. I am specifically speaking about the willingness to state this unsubstantiated statement when it really was NOT even necessary to begin with, which proves my overall point.[/b] [/QUOTE]If the complaints of black women about diasporal black males are ''unsubstantiated'', why use terms like ''airing out our dirty laundry'' and not just call the claims you're reffering to unsubstantiated in the first place? Why not call her out for her perceived bogus and ask for scientific studies? Certainly, if I were to say something bogus like for example, that black men on average have a harder time remaining in control of the relationship, you wouldn't call this ''airing out our dirty laundry'', nor would you call for a non-publicized discussion. You would call it unsubstantiated from the get go, plain and simple. You are contradicting your own choice of words Gaul. [QUOTE] [b] Originally posted by Gaul: Who said keeping things "in house" autmatically equates to "case-by-case"?? Black people not capable of having large forums? Regarding the "indoor" method, it's [i]obvious[/i] you have [i]NEVER been part of any team,[/i] as your logic on this subject sticks out like the sore thumb of an individual, [i]or someone who does not think with any sort of team-like national identity.[/i] [/b] [/QUOTE]Now this is something I find VERY funny, this is something that Mike would do. Just take a segment from someones post, and deduce from that enough material to write a best selling novel. What is interesting, is that this unsubstatiated deducing deducing comes from someone who labels Missjennifers complains ''perceived'' and ''unsubstantiated''. I wonder what extravagant, glamorous hollywood script material can be deduced from you unwillingness to accept hotter annual temperatures around the equator and what that implies about limb proportions in Africans. [QUOTE][b] Originally posted by Gaul: Actually no. The bad connotation is that it shows a lack of indentic pride when one is already willing to spread possibly fasle information about their own group to other groups.[/b] [/QUOTE]How exactly was anyone here ''spreading possibly false information''? If that was anyones intention, there are a lot more efficient way to do that. Posting on Egyptsearch is not one of them. [QUOTE] [b] Originally posted by Gaul: Actually no. The bad connotation is that it shows a lack of indentic pride when one is already willing to spread possibly fasle information about their own group to other groups. You just don't find East Asian women who go into public arenas very often that invovle a high number of non-East Asians and speak about how bad it is that East Asian men are willing to use them to work in "massage parlors". I sure have never seen or heard about it given the number of these "massage parlors" in every major city. Why? There is too much pride in them to do such a thing and that is a conversation you might only find on an East Asian dominated forum.[/b] [/QUOTE]First of all, your counterexample is irrelevant, since it doesn't relate to ''relational problems''. Secondly, the east Asian temperaments, cultural values and attitudes are different than that of Diasporal Africans. Not better, just different. It is no surprise that these behaviour influencing environmental traits will result in differing behaviour. Come back with some valid counterexamples when you've taken those factors into account. Also, do you suggest that African American women should adopt or have something to learn from such passive, slave like attitudes? If not, why juxtapose the so called ''bad bahaviour'' of certain black women/men with that example you gave that (I can only hope is not) supposed to be the epitome of ''good behaviour''? The only thing I get from your anekdotal example is that black women in general wouldn't quetly succomb to their husbands command, because of a silly concept of ''pride'', and I believe African American women are better off that way. I don't know about you, but if such patterns where AA men influence AA women to practice certain proffessions to the point that stereotypes start to emerge, I hope AA women maintain the same attitude you accuse them of. Yes, I'd rather have them ''airing out dirty laundry''. Again, if the complains are really unsubstatiated, your use of the ''Asian massage'' counterexample, that according to you is present in ''every major city'', says otherwise. Why else would you counter example something that equals an urban myth with something that is according to you ''present in every major city''? [QUOTE] Originally posted by Gaul: [b]From the only things I've seen from you, you talk of supposed personal experiences which can't be rebutted. Just as you talk of "being disrespected by black men", and I can talk of teh black men that taught me at a young age to always open doors for ladies, the ones that have taken me under their wing in my profession, the ones that have been married to ONE woman for 30+ years until death, or the white guy I just saw shout at his lady to "hurry up bvitch!!" at a gas station. [/b][/QUOTE]You take my words out of context Gaul, I was talking about the odds of that happening compared to the odds of that happening with other ethnic groups. Furthermore, you give the example of positive black influences as if I've never had them, or as if I've said they don't exist. Please stop using strawmen. Thank you. [QUOTE] [b]Originally posted by Gaul: It's all he say/she say. My point is that if you percieve a problem, talk to one on your brothers and handle it "in house" rather than big mouthing to others what may or may not be true. Anyone with self-identic pride (and this is the crux of my argument to begin with) does this without having to be told. Have you travelled outside of the states much? That may help to see how other groups are with their own. For an Amharic or Oromo woman who might happen to live in South Africa, I would give a less than 2% chance that she will marry a man that is say, Xhosa, much less even speak of marrying or dating a white man while bad mouthing her own. Why? Well, I've typed enough lines on why. Hey, why don't you tell me? [Roll Eyes] [/b] [/QUOTE]Stop comparing diasporal Africans with continental Africans. Also, stop comparing people with other cultural values and history with eachother. Different, is not better. Thank you. [QUOTE] [b] Originally posted by Gaul: Instead of replying to me childish links, pay attention to the one I sent you. It has everything to do with rampant perception black people have about their own communties that have been PROVEN by documentation to be FALSE. Which makes the big-mouthing even worse and low level of self-identic pride even more obvious amongst some of us. [/b] [/QUOTE]Stop implying that your link does anything more than calling out the [b]exaggeration[/b] of the problems, because it certainly doesn't prove they're not there. If it does, I'd like to see some research so I can adjust my ''perceptions''. Thank you [QUOTE] [b] Originally posted by Gaul: as this board is not even remotely meant for topics like this to begin with. [/b] [/QUOTE]Take it up with the makers of these topics. Thank you Kalonji [/QB][/QUOTE]
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