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[QUOTE]Originally posted by 8man: [QB] What this subject, debate needs are blacks that don’t defend or support Eurocentric racism but are not afrocentrics either. I think afrocentrism is another European imposition on African peoples, the descendents of slaves and colonized peoples, natives. I think blackness is itself a European imposition, Eurocentric ideas, which blacks have adopted, the very language they speak is often muddled in academic formulations and jargon that is European—the intellectual state of being is modern, European—the original paganism is the real culture that has been lost here, rituals, customs, traditions, social systems etc that never referenced itself being as attached to skin coloration, though the Sumerian name for themselves suggest awareness of that and seems like a contradiction. Blackness is a self-consciousness the pagan captives would not have had if they weren’t enslaved in a white dominated world. One thing the afrocentrics have right is the idea of seeking original culture through African languages and thinking, customs, and manners, but this thinking if it is to be honestly native, traditional can’t be ideological or political, and must really be isolated from the mainstream culture here, like the Amish, a total rejection of modernity, it must be originally pagan or even Egyptian, before it can even confront the modern world, but everywhere that traditional cultures exist, they exist now as fragile societies, facing destruction or are in fact on the verge of extinction—all traditional cultures must confront the modern, so it can never be pure—some of the problems Africa faces relates to tribalism being out of touch with the idea of unified nation states--if anyone could recreate, the actual sensibility, state of mind and being of the original pagan Egyptians for blacks today that would be wonderful, too, but unlikely—modernity is Eurocentrism, it infects everything, afrocentrics are intellectuals of a European sort, to challenge it with its own rhetoric reversed. The tribalism in Africa is now a mess of conflicted histories and peoples, the pan-african movement is a lost dream, a riff of languages, Moslem, Christian, pagan, that cannot unite at the moment so the afrocentric viewpoint is limited to an American audience, movement and not a very popular one it seems. I don’t know if there is any such middle group of students that wants to look at the evidence or search for the evidence historically without it being a spiritual or political, messianic ideological effort, an effort to save rather than to educate people black or white on facts and possibilities. Yet I believe given the amount of rabid racism during the heyday of science’s infancy there could’ve been a deliberate cover up or denial of things that were discovered that challenged the denigration of a whole race of native peoples. Learning is not free of politics or emotions. The odd translation of “black-headed people” above is proof enough to me. This movement would accept the basic thesis, or hypthosis, of early african civilizations in Egypt and elsewhere based say on the current science that seems to suggest humanity emerged from Africa first, it's likely, so there was plenty of time for early migrations, and that Africans had the most diverse gene pool. The aim would not be to debunk but gather any interesting data offered by the afrocentrics and others and then applying more careful scholarship, visual, archeological, historical writings, current scientific evidence, to support the thesis of ancient black civilizations and its influence on other peoples and maybe find an explanation for the development of different cultures. What would be excluded is all forms of chauvinism, racism, anything in fact that smacks of Eurocentric corruption, race identity now or in the past—yes to speculations, argument, discussion, facts—no cultish thinking--we data mine all the texts, images for evidence but reject any kind of supremacist, spiritual ideology that imposes itself on the ancient peoples, either white or black, our muddled racialist infected point of view, unless ancient authors explicitly express racist views in original texts. This doesn’t mean you can’t identify with the beauty and achievements of ancient black Egyptians on a human level, but the identification won’t be about their race specifically but their humanity. There is no harm in feeling natural pride and even self-esteem in knowing that ancient blacks of one sort or another had achieved great things in the past and that the racist lie of black inferiority is false. I wish there was a study group, with membership, like that I could join in to harness the energies and information here to help convince those on the outside of the debate, of course those with an open mind, rather than a closed and hostile one. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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