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[QUOTE]Originally posted by dana marniche: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mazigh: [qb] The numidians/Moors could look like this: [IMG]http://www.zvezda.org.ru/images/sets/8031.gif[/IMG] The king could look like this: [IMG]http://www.cirtamuseum.org.dz/images/cavalierNumide.jpg[/IMG] [/qb][/QUOTE]Why would St. Isidore in the 6th century in Spain say the Mauri were "black as night" Mazigh. Do those people above look like black as night to you. Why would Martial the Roman repeat the phrase "woolly hair like a Moor". Why would Silius Italicus say Maure was a synonym for Niger. Is Nigra and Niger supposed to mean tan now. Most importantly why would the skeletons of ancient Mauri Carthaginians and people like the Tuareg be so different than modern populations along the coast whose ancestry is known to be partly European on the maternal side. Even wikipedia Kabyle and Berber site states that last point on. Did not ibn Butlan say that in his time the Sanhja, Ketama and Masmuda were black while Beja were golden. So when do you think this tanning occurred of white Berbers. And what is the name of a single Berber tribe that is fair skinned 500 years ago. i'm serious name just one. Carthaginian skeletons and Moorish skeletons are different than those of Roman and fair-skinned North African populations. Garamante skeletons are those of Tuareg and Nilo-Saharans. Why would Greeks speak of "Ethiopians" occupying the coasts of North Africa and extending to the Atlas. Why can't they just look like their black Ethiopian looking and dancing descendants, Mazigh the Masmuda (or "black Africans" of Nusr Khosroes, the Sanhaja, Ketama, Zenata (i.e. the Tuareg and Nafusa). All Berbers were said to have come from these groups in Islamic times. Why are the Mauri Mazikes or Amazigh called Ethiopians in Roman documents like the Expositio Totius Mundi?! Why does even Ibn Khaldun in the 14th c. as ibn Qutaybah and others before them claim they were descended from black Canaanites. Why does Leo Africanus say the Tuareg Aulimmeden/(Lamtuna)and other Tuareg tribe were descendants of the Numidians. When you can explain some of these inconsistencies maybe you will be right. Everyobody knows there have been Europeans in Africa since the late Intermediate period as shown by Egyptian paintings, and that these people also came to mix with Africans. We know Scythians lived in Cyrenaica. We know also that far beyond the Moors some people who were probably Scythians or Vandals lived but nobody knew where they came from least of all the Moors. lol! We know that Procopius names the Moorish rulers and that he uses teh phrase black for the Moors They original Berbers or Moors obviously were not tanned Europeans or even tanned Middle Easterners Mazigh, sorry. If they don't look black than what you say is wack. lol! Get over your fear of blacknes, Mazigh. There is no escape - no where to run - no where to hide. ;) [/QB][/QUOTE]
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