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[QUOTE]Originally posted by dana marniche: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: [qb] [IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/t02slg.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.corbisimages.com/images/67/70E46C31-397B-447C-8D77-606D1846F21D/RW004854.jpg[/IMG] Dana I have seen other coins of Juba I who is more broad featured in appearance and the Juba II sculpture was reproduced in a work I have seen somewhere but forgot where, thats how i became familiar with both not just the internet sites,I rarely just cut and paste without having prior knowledge of what I am after,I donno but I think Juba II was featured in one of J.A Rogers books, in any case while I disagree with Mike that all non broad featured figures on coins and statues of the early Moors are fakes,I do believe that like the signet rings featuring broad featured Africans were hidden from view and narrow featured folks were presented as the norm. http://books.google.com/books?id=gB6DcMU94GUC&pg=PA427&lpg=PA427&dq=S+Gsell+carthaginian+negroids&source=bl&ots=VZPRBNp7_i&sig=R2FwIblazTRsT- [IMG]http://i43.tower.com/images/mm114303517/general-history-africa-volume-2-ancient-civilizations-g-mokhtar-paperback-cover-art.jpg[/IMG] Also a little dated but a lot of still useful info. [/qb][/QUOTE]But the other point Brada is if Moor occupied the same territiory as the Romans,.if Moors looked Roman and Greek what did the Romans and Greeks look like? The average Eurowack doesn't use common sense. Where is the difference between these two groups one European and one black. We are told constantly by Greeks and Romans that mauri meant "Niger" and Mauri were "ethiopians" and Maures were "black as crows". Where are the Byzantines and Romans if the Moorish rulers and their peopel look Romans and Byzantines. Do you see how idiotic it is that we even respond to their posts as if they had some ounce of fact that needs to be taken into consideration. Was Juba one of the " Ethiopian hybrids" that Claudian says Ethiopians and the Berber Nasamones made in North Africa through mixting with white or Syro-Roman concubines? I don't know but i do know that all of Berber tribes as a whole were called black while the same people non-Africans call Beja golden colored as late as the 15th century. There is no question in my mind that the Berbers of the Siwa oasis, the modern Dra'a some of teh Guelia /Afrur Berbers of the Riff and the Tuareg and Masmuda of the Upper Atlas are among the Berbers retain the original "Ethiopian" and "Niger" color and appearance of the Maures of ancient Mauretania. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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