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Originally posted by lamin:
AFL,
You made my day. I laughed so much when I read your comments. I don't know why but your comments--made assumedly in earnest--are really very funny. Like I was reading some 18th century European writer on the the different races. I mean a really LOL post.

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Originally posted by Afrocentric Liars Exposed:
Yo mama got PTSS, mother fvcker.

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Yo mama was a New York two-penny ho, with lice infested pubic hair..!

STFU, Mo'fooka!
 

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Originally posted by The Explorer:
One word: PTSS!

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^ ROTLOL

This thread cracks me up is all.


But on a serious note, what of Dana's thread here?

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Originally posted by dana marniche:
ARAB PRESS SAYS MOST OF IRAQ’S OPPRESSED BLACKS ARE KA’AB AND QAYS ARABS WHILE A MINORITY DESCEND FROM ZANJ

In 2008 the Arab Press released an article (see below) claiming that of the 300,000 “blacks” facing color discrimination in southern Iraq 200,000 or 2/3rd of Iraq were Arabs of Muntafiq or Uqayl bin Ka’ab tribes whose ancestors left Central Arabia after the 9th century. And that some of the blacks of both of the more populous Arabian tribes and East African descended (Zanj) population like the current vice president ancestors have been intermarrying with fairer-skinned Iraqis over the last few generations in order to avoid discrimination. The article provides an example of how the last remnants of the early Arabs submerged and subjected throughout the Middle East have lost their original appearance and how and why they are still integrating into the fairer-skinned populations around them.

Here is part of the article entitled “Iraq’s Blacks”, copyrighted 2008 by Arab Press Service:

“There are two main categories of blacks in Iraq, mostly in the south, who total about 300,000: those of East African origin, numbering around 100,000; and those of who are Arab and originate from the Hejaz, claiming to be descended from the Prophet Muhammad, who moved to this country mostly in the 1750s and 1980s. The latter are mostly from the Muntafek tribe to which 'Abdul-Mahdi belongs. But both groups used to be far more numerous in the past centuries, many of them having inter-married with the locals and thus the colour of their skin has since been changed, though most remain darker than other Iraqis as in the case of 'Abdul-Mahdi. …

'Abdul-Mahdi's ancestor from the Muntafek, Shaikh Nasser al-Sa'doun, founded a town in the south - Nasseriya - and this has since become a fairly large city with a big part of its inhabitants remaining Sunni Arab.”


In 1881, Rawlinsons noted the Muntafek and its progenitor tribe of Ka’ab as possessing the complexion of Galla, Abyssinians (Ethiopians) and asserts, “The Cha’ab Arabs, the present possessors of the more southern parts of Babylonia are nearly black and the ‘black Syrians’ of whom Strabo speaks seem to represent the Babylonians.” (See The Five Great Monarchies of the Ancient Eastern World: Or, The History, Geography, and Antiquites of Chaldea, Assyria, Babylon, Media, and Persia, Vol. II)


Arab Woman of southern Iraq

SHORT HISTORY OF THE CONFEDERATION OF MUNTAFIK IBN UQAYL IBN KA’B: THEIR RISE AND FALL
In the latter half of the 9th c. AD there was in fact a large scale migration of the Ka’ab and other tribes of the Beni Amir branch of Hawazin from Central Arabia (Nejd) into Syria and Iraq. The Muntafek are descended from the Uqayl bin Ka’b one of the larger branches of the Beni Amir bin Za’za branch of the Hawazin. The Uqayl originally lived in the area of Wadi Bisha and Wadi Dawasir. (See p. 47 Najd before the Salafi Reform Movement Uwida al Juhany, 2002) The Hawazin (or Hawazin bin Mansur) in turn are descendants of the Qays. So in general most of the Beni Amer bin Zaza’a groups of Iraq are known by historians as the Qaysi Arabs.

According to most Arab historians including a work by Qalqashandi, “the Muntafiq were related to the Uqaylids both tracing their lineage to Amir bin Sa’sa’a” (See The Buwayhid Dynasty in Iraq 334 H./945 to 403 H./1012 by John Donohue, p. 221. fn75, 2003.) The genealogy of the Muntafiq ibn Uqayl ibn Ka’b ibn Rabi’a ibn Amir ibn Sa’sa ibn ibn Mo'awiyah ibn Bakr ibn Hawazin bin Mansour bin Ekrama bin Khafsa bin Qais Ailan ibn Mudher (or Muzar ).

The settlement of the Muntafiq and other branches of Uqayl (Ka’ab or Cha’b Arabs) has been fairly well documented, “…historians noted the reemergence in the 17th century of the Muntafiq as one of the powerful tribal confederations of southern Iraq, originally the latter had been in ancient times an imara (tribal principality) whose Shaikhly house the Shabib family were reputed to be Meccan, had ruled as masters of Basra and al Ahsa (eastern Arabia) from as early as the 13th century, albeit not uninterruptedly..” (from The Politics of Regional Trade in Iraq, Arabia and the Gulf” 1745-1900 by Hala Mundhir Fattah, 1997, p. 29).


Contrary to what's been supposed this Imam of Mecca is descended purely from the Bakr bin Wa'il once preeminent in Central Arabia (from Taghlib and Shayban). The tribes of the Nejd (Central Arabia) were known for their "blackness".


Abdul- Mahdi - Vice President of Iraq of partial Muntafiq descent. His ancestors are among those who have married into other fair-skinned Iraqi tribes
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The Ka’ab were centered south of Basra.(Encylopaedic Ethnography of Middle East and Central Asia, p. 427 vol I R. Khanam) - “Khafaja is a subdivision of the Hawazin tribe of Uqayl bin Kab” In the 8th century they were still living in south Central Saudi Arabia (al-Yamama) and fighting against the Hanifa branch of Banu Bakr b. Wa’il. (p. 427). In Islamic Abbasid times the Khafaja a branch of the Muntafiq or Uqayl dwelt on the middle Eurphrates in the 10th century A.D. and came to command the road from Basra to Kufa in Iraq.

Earlier famed British Orientalistm Stanley Lane Pool, wrote of the Uqayl history and their branches. “The Banu Okayl, or Okaylids , a very large Arab clan, formed one of the five divisions of the Banu Ka’b of the Modarite tribes of Arabia; and after their adoption of Islam their subclans spread over parts of Syria, Iraq, and even North Africa and Andalusia. In the early days of the Abbasid Califphate, Irak was full of Okaylids. The Banu Muntafik, one of their sub-clans, migrated to the marshy country about Basra called the Batiha or Bata’ih (‘the Swamps’), under the family of Ma’ruf; the banu Khafaja for centuries occupied themselves in looting caravans in the deserts of Irak as late as 1327…
Continuing he says they at one time occupied “the country between Kufa, Wasit and Basra and eventually furnished the line of Oqaylid princes of Mosil.” (See Stanley Lane Pool’s, The Mohammadan Dynasties.2004, p. 116)

The well travelled 19th century archeologist Austen Henry Layard observed the al-Muntafiq , “dwelling on the banks of the lower Euphrates, and exercising a certain control over all the smaller tribes inhabiting the southern part of Mesopotamia.. They were “split into two opposite factions on account of the rival pretensions of two chiefs. (See Discoveries Among the Ruins of Nineveh and Babylon: with travels in Armenia, Kurdistan and the Desert, 1856 p. 480 )

The Arabian tribes of Qays Ailan in general such as ‘Abs from the Ghatafan, Sulaym and others were once noted for their blackness and celebrated for their participation in the early Islamic caliphates. But the “might of the Muntafiq” declined under the Ottoman Centralization policies of the 19th century. (Encyclopaedic Ethnography, R. Khanam vol. 1, p. 550 ) As the lords of time would have it their power has declined to such an extent that many today think they and other purer remnants of the Qays are descendants of slaves.


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