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"The black Egyptian concept was unheard of until the 70s. It was started by the black Nation of Islam to give American blacks pride in history since they had none of their own"
What are your thoughts on this? This was posted by an indiviual on youtube.
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He's an ignoramus. The modern race debate goes back to the 18th century, when Count Constantin de Volney noted how "Negroid" the Sphinx looked to him.
Afrocentric Liars Exposed Member # 18528
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I dont think that that is quite true seeing as Diop earlier had promulgated that brand of pseudohistory.
MelaninKing Member # 17444
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Not surprising since albinos burned all the books, brain washed all the natives, and even dumbed down their own in an attempt to hide the facts that they have no history, no ritual, no cultures of their own. Today is still the same. Blacks offer the world innovations and Albinos still attempt to imitate. After all, isn't that why you are on this site preoccupied with black history. LMAO!!!
Mike111 Member # 9361
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quote:Originally posted by Khufu: "The black Egyptian concept was unheard of until the 70s. It was started by the black Nation of Islam to give American blacks pride in history since they had none of their own"
Khufu - Were you any less of an Albino before Blacks told you that you were an Albino?
Of course not: so then why do you believe that Egyptians were any less Black, before Blacks said that they were Blacks.
Apocalypse Member # 8587
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I always found a poem by Phyllis Wheatley written circa 1760 interesting. It doesn't address race but Phyllis, the first African American writer, she was born in Africa, to gain wide acclaim, does recognize Egypt as part of her native heritage. And please note: she views Egypt unfavorably - so she's not seeking self esteem:
quote:While an intrinsic ardor prompts to write, The muses promise to assist my pen; ‘Twas not long since I left my native shore The land of errors, and Egyptian gloom. Father of mercy, ‘twas Thy gracious hand Brought me in safety from those dark abodes.
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^ Clear case of early Stockholm Syndrome. I'm positive we can easily uncover thousands of such cases in American writings from both blacks and albinos.
Most experts, however, agree that Stockholm syndrome has three central characteristics:
* The hostages have negative feelings about the police, other authorities, or their own group. * The hostages have positive feelings toward their captor(s). * The captors develop positive feelings toward the hostages.
Stockholm Syndrome is the term for a condition that evolves between an aggressor and the victims in situations such as hostage negotiations, kidnapping, and abuse (Auerbach, Kiesler, Strentz, Schmidt, & Serio, 1994; Graham et al., 1988).
The main symptom of Stockholm Syndrome is the development of positive feelings on the part of the hostages for their captors or abusers. Other symptoms may include reciprocal feelings from the aggressors or negative feelings on the part of the victim towards the authorities or outside influences (Their own culture) (Auerbach et al., 1994). Stockholm Syndrome is a named after a bank heist in Stockholm, Sweden in which the hostages began to identify with their hostage-takers. During this event, one hostage became engaged to one of the aggressors (Kuleshnyk, 1984).
Stockholm Syndrome results from a rather specific set of circumstances, namely the power imbalances contained in hostage-taking, kidnapping, and abusive relationships. Therefore, it is difficult to find a large number of people who experience Stockholm Syndrome to conduct studies with any sort of power. This makes it hard to determine trends in the development and effects of the condition.
The portion of text in Italics, is of course, bull ****. Jewish researchers have been studying symptoms of advanced Stockholm Syndrome in the African American and Native American populations for decades, which led them to understand that Albinos were not immune to it's affects.
Then we have the apathetic and faith based mentality of the black Christian, also a clear case of Advanced Stockholm, or PTSS.
Other Symptoms of PTSS may be described as; Wishful Thinking (wishing the trauma had not happened, trying to determine their own responsibility for the trauma, or pretending the trauma had not occurred) was positively associated with severity of PTSD symptoms.
This indicates that the fantasies of the Wishful Thinking coping strategy were related to the increased severity of PTSD symptoms.
The Wishful Thinking form of coping may, in fact, be related to Stockholm Syndrome because Stockholm Syndrome includes a significant amount of self-delusion on the part of abused individuals. This indicates that Stockholm Syndrome may be a form of “wishful thinking” coping. However, Wishful Thinking is not the only form of coping which may relate to Stockholm Syndrome.
Mike111 Member # 9361
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MK - having been abducted and enslaved at age seven, Phyllis must be forgiven for having no viewpoint other than that of her captors. What other frame of reference could she possibly have?
Note should be made however, of the diseased minds and mentality of her captors. Only the diseased mind of an Albino, could possibly find God in their ungodly thinking and behavior.
Whatbox Member # 10819
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In Dante's Inferno (a white person wrote this eons ago) there is a line speaking about bile black like those that live or dwell on the Nile.
Apocalypse Member # 8587
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@MK, it could be that Wheatley was merely wearing the mask.
quote:Paul Laurence Dunbar (1872-1906) We Wear the Mask
WE wear the mask that grins and lies, It hides our cheeks and shades our eyes,— This debt we pay to human guile; With torn and bleeding hearts we smile, And mouth with myriad subtleties.
Why should the world be over-wise, In counting all our tears and sighs? Nay, let them only see us, while We wear the mask.
We smile, but, O great Christ, our cries To thee from tortured souls arise. We sing, but oh the clay is vile Beneath our feet, and long the mile; But let the world dream otherwise, We wear the mask!
MelaninKing Member # 17444
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quote:Originally posted by Apocalypse: @MK, it could be that Wheatley was merely wearing the mask.
quote:Paul Laurence Dunbar (1872-1906) We Wear the Mask
WE wear the mask that grins and lies, It hides our cheeks and shades our eyes,— This debt we pay to human guile; With torn and bleeding hearts we smile, And mouth with myriad subtleties.
Why should the world be over-wise, In counting all our tears and sighs? Nay, let them only see us, while We wear the mask.
We smile, but, O great Christ, our cries To thee from tortured souls arise. We sing, but oh the clay is vile Beneath our feet, and long the mile; But let the world dream otherwise, We wear the mask!
Naw, she really was suffering, not unlike many African American women who found themselves in the position of having to care for little albino children of their slave masters, even breast feeding these little bastards at her breast while her own children sat nearby, hungry.
Wheatley's other poems strongly suggest an Identification with the aggressor psychological affliction. She was in Boston, MA, one of the most "liberal" racist towns in the US.
MelaninKing Member # 17444
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: MK - having been abducted and enslaved at age seven, Phyllis must be forgiven for having no viewpoint other than that of her captors. What other frame of reference could she possibly have?
Note should be made however, of the diseased minds and mentality of her captors. Only the diseased mind of an Albino, could possibly find God in their ungodly thinking and behavior.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not blaming Wheatly for her condition. We all are in need of intensive psychological reevaluation. The first step is, acknowledgement.
osirion Member # 7644
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quote:Originally posted by Khufu: "The black Egyptian concept was unheard of until the 70s. It was started by the black Nation of Islam to give American blacks pride in history since they had none of their own"
What are your thoughts on this? This was posted by an indiviual on youtube.
No - Egyptians as Black people has been around for a very long time.
One example of Europeans thinking that Egyptians were Black is St. Maurice.
It is interesting that after the Atlantic slave trade the depictions of St. Maurice becomes White.
Djehuti Member # 6698
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^ Indeed. In fact the very name Maurice was indication of his blackness.
quote:Originally posted by Whatbox: In Dante's Inferno (a white person wrote this eons ago) there is a line speaking about bile black like those that live or dwell on the Nile.
Yup. Even Church fathers commented on the black nature of Egyptians. Father Origen for example commented that the Egyptians were the "discolored posterity of Ham".
There's no way getting around it. The Egyptians were blacks and as such ALL peoples who knew of them including white Europeans have described them as such long before any Afrocentrism or "Black Pride" movements existed! LOL
Apocalypse Member # 8587
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If we're talking specifically about descriptions of Egyptians being black then of course we have millenia-old references.
The importance of Phyllis Wheatley and why I brought it up is because it's the first time an African in the Americas mentioned as a place they're connected to in some way.
Of course African Americans always used Egypt/Pharaoh as a metaphor for Europeans. Their hope for the destruction of Europeans was vented in songs about Pharaoh's army being drowned in the red sea.
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