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[QUOTE]Originally posted by osirion: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: [qb] Never said they did Osirion,how ever I do believe that a better case for contact could be made in the medieval era if Ek chua was confused with Malian merchants as to be painted black with thick red lips then maybe,,, as we have two separate written documents to back that up which are. Omari, in the tenth chapter of his Masalik al-absad, reproduces a story which suggests that Atlantic voyages were made by mariners of West Africa in the times of Emperor Kankan Musa of Mali; and which roundly states that the predecessors of Kankan Musa embarked on the Atlantic with “two thousand ships” and sailed westward and disappeared . . . yet Mali had outlets of the Atlantic seaboard, while North African mariners evidently knew of the Azores several centuries before the voyages of Columbus Columbus according to Columbus's own writings, Some of these Africans must have made it to the Americas, because there were sightings that indicated their presence in the New World. Columbus himself reported that the American Indians of Hispaniola had told him that "there had come to Hispaniola people who have the tops of their spears made of a metal which they call quanin, of which he had sent samples to the Sovereigns to have them assayed, when it was found that of 32 parts, 18 were gold, six of silver and eight of copper." These samples were sent back to Spain on a mail boat, and the proportion was found to be identical to what was being forged in African Guinea. on his third voyage he journeyed A personal friend of Columbus, named Las Casa, who traveled with him later left the following message: "Certain principal inhabitants of the island of Santiago came to see them and they say that to the southwest of the Island of Huego [Fogo, or Fuego] which is one of the Cape Verdes distance 12 leagues from this, may be seen an island, and that the King Don Juan [Dom Joao II of Portugal] was greatly inclined to send to make discoveries to the southwest, [b]and that canoes had been found which start from the coast of Guinea and navigate to the west with merchandise[/b] There were other sightings in the Americas that were reported. One sighting was by Peter Martyr who reported that Vasco Nunez de Balboa in September 1513 saw two black men in Panama. Native Americans reported to him that they were at war with a large settlement of these black men. It was believed these black men were ship wrecked. Another sighting was by Lopez de Gomara who described the people as identical to Africans seen in Guinea. The next sighting by Labbe' Brasseur de Bourbourg reported two indigenous peoples in Panama, the Mandinga (black skin) and the Tule (red skin). Also Fray Gregoria Garcia reports on blacks sighted in Cartagena, Columbia. Michael Coe even reported that Alonzo Ponce spoke of a boatload of "Moors" who landed off Campeche and terrorized the natives. http://faculty.mdc.edu/jmcnair/Joe26pages/Who%20Came%20Before%20Columbus.htm for a translation of the Columbus original journal go here [b]NARRATIVE OF THE THIRD VOYAGE OF COLUMBUS AS CONTAINED IN LAS CASAS’S HISTORY May 30-August 31, 1498[/b] http://www.gutenberg.org/files/18571/18571-h/18571-h.htm#voyage It also deals with original translations of pre Columbian Europeans contacts such as the Vikings and follow up contacts at the time of Columbus with John Cabot. [/qb][/QUOTE]I agree with you; I believe there is significant evidence supporting West African contact but just not cultural diffusion. That's where I very much disagree with the Clyde's of the world. Black Africans would have been asimilated or annhiliated similar to the first Europeans that landed. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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