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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Calabooz': [QB] [QUOTE]Obviously the outdated excuse is a lame attempt to dismiss the information. There are no studies that directly refute any of the above information that I posted.[/QUOTE]Well, lets see about that: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Iah: Boy this ones got you in a bind. Feeling insecure and covering it with multiple "lol's" will do you no good, as it's a reflection of your insecurites. It's all you've got. A "minor" oasis should have seen major Sub Saharan gene flow considering its location and all the time in the world to acquire it. I mean, this is Africa right where you clowns claim only blacks inhabited Africa until recently but apparently blacks did not inhabit this portion of the southern Egyptian desert until recently. Habitation started there during the Pleistocene, and increased during the Holocene when the desert became dryer, so wouldn't be considered "minor" as it sustained populations who were dependent on it for survival. It is lacking in Sub Saharan dna until Roman times. So how did that Caucasoid dna get there before Roman times, before Sub Saharans? Keep up your denials, it's fun watching you squirm. "Dakhleh was occupied before and during the early Egyptian Neolithic and Predynastic periods, and so has a role in understanding the rise of the Egyptian state." Dakhela Oasis No wonder you are eager to dismiss it.[/QUOTE]Now, did you bother to read said study? Because if you did, you would realize that they used the HpaI 3592 marker which does not test for the most ancient sub-Saharan lineage in north Africa- i.e., L3. Only L1 and L2. Therefore giving unreliable results. More info on this in a sec [QUOTE]That's not the issue here. The Sahara became a desert around 4,000 to 5,000 years ago, the rains ceased to their present levels. The article is discussing the NEOLITHIC which is about the time Egypt was becoming populated and the climate/environment changed.[/QUOTE]And the period when sub-Saharan influence was greatest in north Africa was BEFORE there was a Sahara. [QUOTE]Naturally to you it is, since you're head over heels in denial, but not according to the analysis of the findings. It says nothing about "East-West movement blockage" but it does say "which constrains human movement to an east-west direction. so that is a falsification on your part. "The Sahara was a strong geographical barrier against gene flow, at least since 5,000 years ago, when desertification affected a larger region" Harich et al, 2010)[/QUOTE]Again I must repeat the fact that even the cited article by yourself says: "[b]At least since 5,000 years ago[/b]". And as I pointed out, sub-Saharan gene flow into the Nile Valley region was PRE-Neolithic era (Mesolithic and before). How do we know? Because a more RECENT article has shown this to be the case: [i]In the present work, mtDNA data show a diversified distribution of African haplogroups. However, a question remains concerning the date of the sub-Saharan African inputs. Our results demonstrate an ancient local evolution in Tunisia of some African haplogroups (L2a, L3*, and L3b). [b]The most ancient haplogroup is L3*, which would have been introduced from eastern sub-Saharan populations to North Africa about 20,000 years ago.[/b] The Siwa oasis sample studied by Coudray et al. (2009) contains sub-Saharan haplogroups L0a1, L3i, L4*, and L4b2, which are different from our Tunisian samples, in agreement with the heterogeneity of Berbers already shown in Tunisia.[/i]--Frigi et al. 2010 Which brings me to the point I was raising earlier. The article you mentioned did not test for L3 which we now know to have been introduced in ancient times. The same Frigi et al. goes on to say: [i]Our results also point to a less ancient [b]western African gene flow to Tunisia involving haplogroups L2a and L3b. Thus the sub-Saharan contribution to northern Africa starting from the east would have taken place **before the Neolithic**.[/b] The western African contribution to North Africa should have occurred [b]**before the Sahara’s formation (15,000 years BP)**[/b]. It seems likely that an expansion would have taken place in the Sahel zone starting about the time of a gradual climatic return to wetter conditions, when the Senegal River cut through the dunes (Burke et al. 1971). For subhaplogroup L2a1 (data not shown) we found some haplotypes that the Tunisian Berbers shared with Mauritanians and western sub-Saharan populations speaking a Niger-Congo language (studied by Salas et al. 2002).[/i]--Frigi et al. 2010 So even the west African input was pre-Neolithic. And this is a time when there were WETTER conditions. You are speaking about the return of desert conditions. [QUOTE]The passage certainly says nothing about any negroids taking over North Africa does it? It says "population replacement during the Neolithic from the Levant could explain the genetic similarity between Libya, Egypt, and the European populations.” Neolithic>Levant>genetic similarity Funny how you completely dismiss it.[/QUOTE]This is what I mean with outdated material. There is no genetic similarity with Egypt and Libya and ancient Egyptians certainly did not have an affinity with Europeans. The most recent article from the American Journal of Physical Anthropology: "[b]The distribution of subsets of haplogroups U6 and M1 also suggests the presence of a discontinuity between Libya and Egypt, separating western North Africa from eastern North Africa.[/b] Even if both haplogroups are thought to have been carried by a back-to-Africa migration from the Near East, [b]significant increased U6 frequencies have been detected in the West compared to the East.[/b] The network of all U6 sequences found in the database presents two nodes with star-like shape, U6a* and U6a1. In a similar way, [b]M1a1 is the node with starlike topology in haplogroup M1, and the node where most of the eastern sequences are found.[/b]" --Karima Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2011 What genetic similarity you talking bout! This also shows on the Y chromosome data where the main Northwest African genetic variant E-M81 only reaches 10% in Egypt! [QUOTE] "The interpolation analyses and complete sequencing of present mtDNA sub-Saharan lineages observed in North Africa support the genetic impact of recent trans-Saharan migrations, namely the slave trade initiated by the Arab conquest of North Africa in the seventh century. Saharan people did not leave traces in the North African maternal gene pool for the time of its settlement, some 40,000 years ago." (Harich et al, 2010)[/QUOTE]As you can see from the more RECENT article I cited above (Frigi et al) Harich et al. has been DEBUNKED [/QB][/QUOTE]
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