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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Troll Patrol: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by melchior7: [qb] Ish Gebor [b]Try to understand something here, I know a lot of Moroccans here where I live. Most look like mixed blacks. The photo's I've posted aren't cerry picked, but are from well known Moroccans of here. Get that through your dumd skull. Another fact here is that North Africa often has been invaded, and that North Africans have more admixture, mixture than other Africans. This is a historical fact. Another fact is that in North Africa you still have descendants of those who colonized North Afican countries. Like Spain, Portugal and even Turkey. So you picture spam is moreso a joke. Also, at the coastal region you will find folks very similar to Mediterranean furher in land that contrast fades. But the thing is with folks like you, you think you know it all and everything. This is why you will remain stupid as you are. You think you can outdo all experts in different disciplines. Hilarious dimwit. The fact that E-81 derives from predominance of lineages defined by "the African M35/81 biallelic marker, means that in their root they are African. Dumbo! If they had nothing to do with Africa and other Africans they would not have carried this hg in the first place. Certainly not in such an abundance. It is interesting that these “non-African”mtDNA lineages are usually predominant while being diverse (Coudray et al. 2009; Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2004; Khodjet-el-Khil et al. 2008). Since the 4000 BC, the indigenous peoples of northern Africa (identified by the Romans as Berbers) were pushed back from the coast by successive waves of Phoenician, Roman, Vandal, Byzantine, Arab, Turkish, and, finally, French invaders. When you "add" more and more water to wine the wine eventually will become watered down, losing the original flavor, color and taste. So stop whining, ilk. And Algerians also differ from other North Africans in phenotype. Something else you will not grasp. If the North Africans looked by any contrast more European they whould approach European travelers in Berber or Arabic, which is not happening. Yet when a black foreigner travels the country he, she, is approached at in Arabic or Berber.... "Frigi et al.(2010) suggest these possibilities as factors in their consideration of the asymmetric assimilation of females of non-African origin into Berber-speaking populations whose males currently have a predominance lineage's defined by the African M35/81 biallelic marker. Quote; whose males currently have a predominance of lineages defined by the African M35/81 biallelic marker. Predominance of lineages defined by "the African M35/81 biallelic marker." A better question is, why is the mt-DNA Eurasian like. If this by any contrast is truly the case. There are many populations where the mt-DNA is different from the paternal hg cluster. [/b] What you neglect to mention is that there a large number of Black slaves brought into Morocco which has continued into recent times. Also I have lived in France and while some Maghrebians do look mixed the majority are mediterranean looking. And don't get all butt hurt and slinging insults just yet, you'll know when my foot is placed fully in your ass! Yeah E-81 split off from East Africa.. yada yada yada. Come to think all Haplogroups have a root in East Africa, don't they? The point that concerns me is what did these folks look like by the time they settled in the Maghreb. Lets face it most E carrying Afro asiatic speaker tend have sharp "Mediteranean" features in contrast to West Africans. Also givien the timeline in North Africa they would likely have mixed with females of the U6 variety whom we know originated from the Middle East. Then there is the the other Eurasian mtdna like H and V etc. Did you know that in the highest frequency of Eurasian H1 in the world is in Fezzan in Southern Libya. There are also various local mutations which would inidcate that it has been there for a while. We are not talking about the coast here but deep in the freaking Sahara. This can't be from recent slavery. Think about it. [/qb][/QUOTE]The only this it says is that the Fessan have more admixture. No more no less. I wonder what these chicks were doing all by themselves all up in Africa. Copulating with African men. What you tend to neglect is: E1b1b1b (M81)- 8 - 26.7% E1b1b1a (M78)- 7 - 23.3% J1 (M267)- 5 - 16.7% R1b1b2 (M69)- 3 - 10% K(xP)(M9)- 3 - 10% I (M170)- 2 - 6.7% E1a (M33)- 1 - 3.3% P(xR1)- 1 - 3.3%" By Jamil M. Abun-Nasr Cambridge University Press, 1987 - page 5. ..."it is important to bear in mind that over the centuries the Maghreb has been a melting-pot of many other ethnic groups and cultures" Frigi et al. Human Biology August 2010 (82:4) Discussion In this study we attempted to better elucidate the ancient African genetic background in the northwest African area, particularly in Tunisia. To this aim, we focused our study on Berber populations that are considered representative of the ancient North African populations that probably derived from Neolithic Capsians. "During historic times, Berbers experienced a long and complicated history with many invasions, conquests, and migrations by Phoenicians, Romans, Vandals, Byzantines, Arabs, Bedouins, Spanish, Turks, Andalusians, sub-Saharans (communities settled in Jerba and Gabes in the 16th–19th centuries), and French (Brett and Fentress 1996). During these invasions, Berbers were forced back to the mountains and to certain villages in southern Tunisia (Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2004)." Traveling spirit masters: Moroccan Gnawa trance and music in the global marketplace. By Deborah Anne Kapchan Wesleyan University Press, 2007, page 19. *"Not all of the black African population are gnawa" [/QB][/QUOTE]
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