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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Troll Patrol: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by melchior7: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Troll Patrol: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by melchior7: [qb] Ish Gebor [b]It doesn't matter whether you dispute it or not, it's a recorded historical event that females from Europe have been taken as slaves to North Africa. The proof is in the pudding. And that LGM is another hypothesis. Ice caps were too thick and it was too cold for the soil to become fertile. It was simple not possible to live there, the journey would have taken too long in order to survive.. Only afterwards the LGM it could have happened. But not during. So you can scratch that option. [/b] European slaves were males as well females and many more Black slaves were brought into Africa, let's not forget. I have yet to see someone make the case of European slaves becoming ethnic Berbers. At the very least that would seem counter intuitive since most would probably be owned by the arabized upper classes and Turks in the larger urban areas not by Berber peasants in some hillside village. And as far what Dana said about the Kabyle having cultural traditions in common with Europeans, I would really like to see or READ something more substantive than just a few pictures of young girls in colorful dresses. Make it interesting. [/qb][/QUOTE]Many more black slaves were brought into Africa? :confused: . Ok :D :o And for your other comment. I have seen Berbers/ Moroccans make that comment. And yes Arabs owned Berbers as slaves. And Turks moved into North Africa. Mostly at the coastal areas. [/qb][/QUOTE]Yes. Black slaves brought into NORTH Africa dumdum. Yes Arabs and Turks were the major slave owners which is why it would seem strange for the descendants of European slaves to end up being ethnic Berbers living in some remote villages. [/qb][/QUOTE]Oh ok, because in your previous post you wrote, "into Africa", not into North Africa. :D So, where is the genetic gene pool of "All these Black Africans"? And from where did they come? Or by your wills, where did it go? Second, I did quote from prominent sources where it clearly states: not all "black" (dark skinned) North Africans are descendant from enslaved Africans. As Dana has proven as well with here sources. Some of these dark skinned people simple descendant from ancient tribes. Why does it seems strange to you for some of these groups to become clustered with Berbers? I mean the Saqaliba and Mamluk came from where exactly......and were taken to where exactly? Explain what happened to the gene pool of these groups? Let me repost it for you: By Jamil M. Abun-Nasr Cambridge University Press, 1987 - page 5. [b]..."it is important to bear in mind that over the centuries the Maghreb has been a melting-pot of many other ethnic groups and cultures"[/b] Frigi et al. Human Biology August 2010 (82:4) Discussion In this study we attempted to better elucidate the ancient African genetic background in the northwest African area, particularly in Tunisia. To this aim, we focused our study on Berber populations that are considered representative of the ancient North African populations that probably derived from Neolithic Capsians. " [b]During historic times, Berbers experienced a long and complicated history with many invasions, conquests, and migrations by Phoenicians, Romans, Vandals, Byzantines, Arabs, Bedouins, Spanish, Turks, Andalusians, sub-Saharans[/b] (communities settled in Jerba and Gabes in the 16th–19th centuries), and French (Brett and Fentress 1996). During these invasions, Berbers were forced back to the mountains and to certain villages in southern Tunisia (Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2004)." Traveling spirit masters: Moroccan Gnawa trance and music in the global marketplace. By Deborah Anne Kapchan Wesleyan University Press, 2007, page 19. [b]"Not all of the black African population are gnawa"[/b] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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