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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] One cannot rely on coins and statuary alone to determine the predominant phenotype in any place hundreds or thousands of years ago. If you would collect all the coins, statuary from the times of the Numidians you will definitely see blacks depicted among them. No amount of spinning will change the facts that these blacks have always been there or that mixed types were there as well. Anybody with eyes and can read a map can see that the proximity of Europe to North Africa makes it prone to mixing of populations from across and along the Mediterranean. However, what is not clear and what has not been supported by those making the claim, is that Berber languages originates with Eurasian migrants to North Africa. Whether it be the Phoenicians, the Greeks, the Romans, the Normans, the Vandals, the Sea Peoples, the Turks, the Arabs or anyone else. Berber languages are strictly an African phenomenon not originating from populations outside the continent. Hence it is of no merit to say that because some Berbers are European in phenotype, that means that Berber is a European or Eurasian linguistic and cultural import to Africa. It is not. Cite whoever you want that says this from a scholarly perspective, but I doubt you will find any. However, you will find many scholars and writers from throughout history who have talked of the mixed populations in parts of North Africa. Who in their right mind would even begin to suggest this is the debate? Of course they are there. However, when you speak of mixed this implies a native aboriginal component and a non native component. And in almost all cases the black African component is the aboriginal component. Please cite any author you wish who claims otherwise from literary sources. Scientifically this has also been shown through genetics and isn't really an argument either, but again show me some scientists who claim that black Africans are not the aboriginal indigenous populations of North Africa prior to any "mixed" populations of various backgrounds. But these clowns want it both ways. The original populations were white and the later populations with whom they mixed and of course Berber languages popped up and originated with these white populations from outside of Africa. None of which is supported by any facts at all. But they will nit pick and argue about anything and everything that supports the identification of blacks in North Africa, because in order to support their absurd claims of an ancient aboriginal and pure non black "African" population in North Africa, they have to promote the idea of no indigenous black African features in no part of the population at any point of time in history. This is obviously demonstrably false, but that is their silliness at this point. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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