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[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: [QB] Lioness [QUOTE] [b]The term "Moor" was not a term those peoples called themselves. Originally the term was used by Europeans to mean various Muslims if North Africa, like black Africans, Arabs and Berbers (berbers are a mix of ethnicities) Later on Euroepans changed the menaing meaning to mean any black person form Africa In the beginning it meant black and brown Muslim invaders from North Africa Later it changed to mean dark black Africans but Islam was no longer an important part of the definition. This is more like how the Germans used it. They were not invaded by the Muslims. They used generic black people with no names in their heraldry. They called them "Moors" yet they were often Christian converts and Ethiopians who were not from North Africa [/b] [/QUOTE]No the term Moor was used long before the Islamic era it began with the Greeks "μαυρο" or "mavro" which literally means "black, blackened or charred" and has long been used to describe black or very dark things such as, "Mavri Thalassa" [/QUOTE]mavri and maurus etc are different words we had been discussing the crusades or almoravid periods the Numidans were (202 BC – 46 BC) ancient Mauretania ( Roman province not the same territoty as modern day Mauritania) (3rd ce BC) [IMG]http://www.lessing-photo.com/p2/100406/10040646.jpg[/IMG] Juba II Numidian king of Mauretania 52/50 BC – AD 23 hair not wooly The region had also been influenced by the Phoenicians After the Vandals, Greeks and Romans and finally the Arabs you cannot say that the North African Muslims who conquered Spain in the 8th c., called Moors were the Numidians even though the Numidians sometimes get called by writers "Moors" We are talking about when Europeans spelled the word Moor or Moros, using the letter "o" It is a loosely applied the people themselves never called themselves. And the way it was used in places like Germany was fnot specific to meaning even Almoravid descendants of North Africa much less specific to Numdians/ancient Mauretanians At that time, in the European medieval period they applied the term to any dark skinned African regardless of if they wer form North Africa or another place in Africa [/QB][/QUOTE]
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