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[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by dana marniche: [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/GM_Massinissa.png/200px-GM_Massinissa.png[/IMG] This is a Roman general of some sort, with what we call in America a typical Roman nose. Sorry Charlys. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE][IMG]http://www.livius.org/a/1/carthage/massinissa_coin.jpg[/IMG] ^^^ This is another coin of the Numidian berber king Massinissa [IMG]http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/ric/septimius_severus/toppic.jpg[/IMG] This is a coin of Roman Empeor Septimius Severus, he was considered part berber. You are assuming that the coins depicting Massinissa has a particular type of nose it could not be somebody that had berber ancestry. The have curly hair the Massinissa coin even in afro shape. Perhaps some could be mulattoes [IMG]http://picturestack.com/5/782/dUuPicture44zt.png[/IMG] [QUOTE]Originally posted by dana marniche: Massinissa was a Berber like those who were called Tehenou. Roman coins are found in many cultures. He was of the same stock as Gildo "the Moor" (Aguellid or Galadima) the Tuareg name for chief and of the same stock as Firmus and Tacfarinus the latter meaning son of the Afren or Ifren man. i.e. Tuareg. [/QUOTE]any book on the history of Africa calls Massinissa a Numidian. Numidia was located in Algeria parts of Tunisia and Libya 3rd to 1st centuries BC, a client state of the NA Roman provices considered to be comprised of berbers Here is a list of Numidian kings: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_kings_of_Numidia a few coins exist of these berber kings and each king looks different [IMG]http://www.livius.org/a/1/carthage/syphax_coin.jpg[/IMG] Syphax You may not want to call them berber, it doesn't matter. These coins of Numidian kings of Algeria parts of Tunisia and Libya 3rd to 1st centuries BC looked like they do far before Islam. That doesn't mean there weren't also people who looked more sahelian or sub saharan around at the time as well. Sometimes the Numidans get called "Moors" I prefer not to call them that. To me "Moors" should be applied to the much later period people who invaded Iberia, Moorish Spain. This begins with the Umayyad Caliphate and then progresses to the Almoravid and Almohad. Tariq bin Ali was considered to be a berber and he combined forces with Arabians. Under the command of the Umayyad Caliphateinvaded Iberia in 711 The Almoravids had went further South than the Almoravid converting Sanhaja tribes and conquering Ghana and intermarrying with some of them. Later in Morocco, the Marinids [/QB][/QUOTE]
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