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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Shania: [QB] [QUOTE] The Shang characters compare favorably to the ancient Proto- Saharan script used by the Harappans in the Indus Valley and the Manding script used in the ancient Sahara and Crete . Winters 1985c outlined the spread of the Proto-Saharan script to Harappa, and throughout Saharan Africa and Asia by the Dravidians and Manding. [/QUOTE]I have heard of no such thing as a proto-saharan script. The Harrapan script has yet to be deciphered, so for the moment we do not know what language they spoke. How can you link one language to another despite the fact that the other is still unknown ? [QUOTE] This is supported by the Sindonty pattern found among the Japanese who have a Dravidian and African substratum in their language. [/QUOTE]Any evidence to support this ? [QUOTE] Secondly, archaeological research makes it clear that Negroids were very common to ancient China. F. Weidenreich noted that the one of the earliest skulls from north China found in the Upper Cave of Chou-k'ou-tien, was of a Oceanic Negroid/Melanesoid p.163. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE] These blacks were the dominant group in South China. Kwang-chih Chang,writing in the 4th edition of Archaeology of ancient China 1986 wrote that:" by the beginning of the Recent Holocene period the population in North China and that in the southwest and in Indochina had become sufficiently differentiated to be designated as Mongoloid and OCEANIC NEGROID races respectively…."p.64. By the Upper Pleistocene the Negroid type was typified by the Liu-chiang skulls from Yunnan Chang, 1986, p.69. [/QUOTE]Since when have Melanesoid, Negroid and Oceanic/Australoid became synonymous ? [QUOTE] In the Chinese literature the Blacks were called li-min, Kunlung, Ch'iang Qiang, Yi and Yueh. The founders of the Xia Dynasty and the Shang Dynasties were blacks. These blacks were called Yueh and Qiang. The modern Chinese are descendants of the Zhou. The second Shang Dynasty situated at Anyang was founded by the Yin. As a result this dynasty is called Shang-Yin. The Yin or Oceanic Mongoloid type is associated with the Austronesian speakers Kwang-chih Chang, "Prehistoric and early historic culture horizons and traditions in South China", Current Anthropology, 5 1964 pp.359-375 :375. The Austronesian or Oceanic Mongoloid type were called Yin, Feng, Yen, Zhiu Yi and Lun Yi. [/QUOTE]I do not speak Chinese so I can not be sure, but sometimes when people are associated with a color it doesn't always describe their skin color, the "Black prince" was refered to as being black because of his armor, not his skin color. [QUOTE] The genotype data provides clear evidence of the phylogenetic relationship of Africans and East Asians. It is clear that African derived haplogroups R1b1, E, DE and R1b1b2 are found in East Asia. Y-haplogroup is found among many Chinese Muslims or Huis. There is evidence of R1 in East Asia. Zhong et al 2011 reported a number of y-chromosome markers in East Asia including R1a1 29.41%0, R1b* 3.2%, R1b1b2 1.6% and R2 3.21%. It is interesting to note that Zong et al 2011 tested for the M335 marker which was first discovered in Turkey and classified as R1b. The M335 marker is a brother clade to R1b1* M343+V88-M73-M269. This is interesting because R1b1* pursuant to ISOGG is R1b1 or V88. [/QUOTE]R1b, R1a and their derivatives are mainly found in Europe, were the first Europeans black ? These haplogroups are associated with the spread of Indo-European languages, since they are found predominantly in Indo-European speaking populations. The haplgroup that is associated with Eastern Asia, therefore China, is haplogroup O. [IMG]http://64.40.115.138/file/lu/6/52235/NTIyMzV9K3szNTg0ODc=.jpg?download=1[/IMG] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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