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[QUOTE]Originally posted by typeZeiss: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by awlaadberry: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by typeZeiss: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by awlaadberry: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by typeZeiss: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by awlaadberry: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by typeZeiss: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by ausar: [qb] You ever heard of the Miami Kuwati music group? How about the Saudi Arabian singer Waed? They would be the examples of the Arabs I am talking about. Bandar Bin Sultan also has African features. [/qb][/QUOTE]Ausar with all due respect you have to be careful when talking about "black" arabs. Not saying there are no native ones but remember Axum ruled over Arabia for AT LEAST 400 years and there was a LOT of mixing going on as africans poured into the middle east and naturally coupled with "arab" women. This also ignores what the advent of ancient egyptians and their colonizes in the region must have done to change the look of the people "again through coupling" Many of these people are decendents from these Axumite kingdom, especially in el yemen, oman, parts of the gulf etc. That doesnt explain the blacks in the islands in the persian sea and in the southern portions of Iran (which is majority black). I don't even think there is a such thing as a "arab" so to speak. They are a mixed group of people, always have been. I dont think there was ever one look to them. Heck even their own history of who their forefathers were tells that story i.e. Abraham and Hajar (the egyptian) [/qb][/QUOTE]Sa'ad ibn Abi Waqqas wasn't descended from anyone from Axum or from ancient Egyptian colonizers. Nor was Mohamed Al-Nafs Al-Zakia. And there is such a thing as an Arab. Sa'ad ibn Abi Waqqas and Mohamed Al-Nafs Al-Zakia are examples of pure Arabs. [/qb][/QUOTE]how can there be a "pure" arab when they admit themselves to being the offspring of two distinct groups? Also don't we (as in Muslims) have ahadith that say a arab is one who speaks arabic? [/qb][/QUOTE]Because the pure Adnani Arabs are the descendants of Ibrahim (AS) and Hajar. Any descendants of this union are pure Arabs because bring descended from Ibrahim (AS) and Hajar is what makes one a pure Adnani Arab. Concerning the hadith that you mentioned, it's a weak hadith. [/qb][/QUOTE]weak according to who? Also bro I find it hard to believe ALL those arabs came from the union of just TWO people. Also there are ahadith that says rasolollah (s3w) was white, so are you saying then he wasn't a pure Arab or can "pure Arabs" be any color? I have not looked much into this matter so I am just picking your brain to see where you stand on the issue. [/qb][/QUOTE]The hadith iud weak according to the Islamic scholars of hadiths. You shouldn't find out strange that all Adnani Arabs descend from Ibrahim (AS) and Hajar. Don't we all descend from Adam and Eve? Concerning the description of the Prophet's (SAWS) complexion, I've explained many times that "white" to the Arabs of the past didn't mean what out means today. Also, the Prophet (SAWS) was described as asmar. [/qb][/QUOTE]i am new here so don't think I have read your stuff and am ignoring it, not the case. Anyway I will research on this. As for nabi Adam and Eve, this was far longer in time than the time of nabi Ibrahim which was what, 3,000 plus years ago, no? The description I had read of rasolollah description was he was white with reddish checks. Also supposedly there was/is a painting of him from back then some where (again supposedly). Any books you can suggest on this or is it all from your personal investigation into this? Jazallah khayr [/QB][/QUOTE]
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