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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mike111: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by dana marniche: [qb]Mike - Turks and Persians are two different though largely intermingled (after a time) people. You are the only one I have seen consistently calling Iranians Turks. Turkoman do not look anything like later Turks i.e. Europeans nor did they look like the Iranian Persians. Every book that I have ever seen off and on-line does not consider these people one people, anymore than Saqaliba (Slavic) people were really Turks. Granted at one time they all played a major part as slaves, clients and freedmen in the Arab and then Turkish-ruled armies. Of course when I talk about Persians I'm referring to the people that came after Darius and the dark skinned previous populations of Persia. BTW - even Jahiz separates Turks from Persians. I also prefer the word Byzantines or Greco-Romans for the Rumi not "Greeks" or "Romans" whose empires were in reality long gone. The Byzantines are often referred to as blond, while Greeks and Romans obviously weren't. [/qb][/QUOTE]Dana - I think that part of the problem here, is that most members view other peoples posts, as an opportunity to argue rather than an opportunity to learn. Though I have posted many times on the subject: It seems that as with the Arabs, many people find it impossible to distinguish between people who call themselves Persians/Arabs and people who actually WERE Persians/Arabs. Of course actually reading the history of these lands is totally out of the question. But all that aside, I recently demonstrated that the so-called "Persian" writers of the Hadiths were actually Turkmen. I would think that anyone paying attention would easily extrapolate that the Whites from the eastern Persian satraps had quickly assimilated themselves into the Arab fold. I mean, I don't think that even an ignorant Arab would allow just ANYONE to write religious texts about what the Prophet did, thought, and actually meant for good Muslims to do. That was an extremely important and powerful role these Turkmen took on - albeit under the guise of being Persians - and were ALLOWED to take on by the Arabs. Though admittedly I can't say if all of these Hadiths were written before the Turks took total control of Islam. I believe I posted a history of post-Persian Iran only recently. But if you would like, I will re-post. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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