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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Morpheus: [qb] They are Indian. Dark-skinned Indians are not accepted as White in America. Not even the tan complexioned ones. But most don't identify as Black. Some are even racist against people of African descent. I've read that even Gandhi had racist opinions of Blacks in South Africa. I knew a man from Trinidad who looked like a dark-skinned Indian (dark brown skin, straight hair and narrow facial features). He considered himself to be a Black man of Indian descent no less Black than a dark-skinned person of African descent. There is skin color prejudice in India amongst lighter and darker skinned Indians. It's fashionable among many in Indian to use skin lightening products. I think the safe thing to say is that skin color discrimination is a reality and some people from India experience racism due to skin color. Some people in India are racist based on skin color. Generally they tend to identify with their culture rather than their skin color. I no longer have interest in putting people into boxes and labeling them one way or another. [/qb][/QUOTE]The preference for lighter skin in India is primarily due to the influence of foreigners. I am not even talking about Aryans. The Greeks were one group, but they weren't that numerous to begin with. But with the Greeks began the history of "modern" India. Most history before that is blurred by myth, fantasy and mystery, with Harrappan civilization still not being fully understood. It was during the Persian era and then the Mughal era that light skin as a symbol of beauty really became predominant. Mughal art almost always shows people with features similar to themselves (IndoPersian and Mongol/Asian). After the Mughals came the British and the white skin preference became even more blatant and it was during British rule that movies and entertainment became standardized according to "British taste", which meant that actors and actresses are all light bright and trying to be white or European looking, Persian looking or sometimes even Asian looking, anything other than the natural dark brown that is predominant in India. And Gandhi was indeed racist in the sense that he didn't want to be lumped with blacks as a 3rd class citizen, but would accept 2nd class status under the British. Indians were often considered as some of the most loyal and trustworthy of the colonized peoples of the British and because of this the British often took them to many of their colonies around the world. This is what led to the rise of Indian populations in the Caribbean, Africa and the Pacific. But they were always used as a buffer, meaning they were always placed above the natives as second class under the British and because of this came a feeling of superiority and resentment from the locals. Now, some may feel a sense of Aryan superiority in India with their light skin, but the wheels come off the wagon when they go to Europe because no matter how light or "Aryan" they think they are, the British still don't consider them as "one of them" and look down on them because of the history of the British conquest of India. The fact is that British aren't Aryans, as Aryans are in reality populations in and between India and Iran and are not Europeans. But because European scholars trumped up Aryan supremacy as the basis for global European supremacy and based the colonial education system around it, a lot of Indians subscribed to it, not realizing that the British are not Aryans and are simply doing what they always do, making up stuff to justify their rule. Traces of the Mughal and Persian communities are still found in India with names like "Khan" and features similar to old Mongol and Mughal paintings like joined eyebrows, but those features have absolutely nothing to do with Europe. The fact is that the whole Aryan supremacy myth created by Europe is an attempt to put the basis of Indian culture in the hands of Europeans, by claiming some close relationship to the lighter skinned peoples of the Indo Iranian plateau, with Europe somehow an ancient homeland of these people. In other words, to turn history upside down. The truth is that Indo Europeans are a population partly derived from Indian, Asian and Aryan Persian stock and it is from this stock that the Indo European languages derive. In Hindi you say "Mera Nam es" in English you say "My name is". Sounds quite similar doesn't it, but of course I am no linguist. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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