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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Asar Imhotep: [qb] But what you're failing to realize is that with language comes culture. I stated in my reply that Niger-Congo could have started anywhere between Chad and the Nile Valley. With that said, not all of the people move: certain families move while others stay. Those cultural elements are still present in the areas for which they began.[/qb][/QUOTE]Correction. Language is just [i]one[/i] aspect of culture though a crucial one. Another aspect is material culture such as pottery, clothing etc, and then there are ritual patterns and customs. There are many cases of populations adopting the language of other peoples along with a few other aspects of culture but the rest of the culture could be fully intact. Furthermore all these cultural aspects are all independent of the biology of the populace. You can have a people adopt the language and culture of another without biological or genetic influence from intermarriage etc. [QUOTE][qb]When I do my comparisons between Ancient Egypt, Yoruba and the Kongo (sometimes Zulu), I don't look for simple "commonalities." I look for exactitude to remove all doubt. For instance, when you look at the crowns the Yoruba kings wear, they are of the exact same styles as the "white crowns" from Upper Egypt. Not only are they the same style, they have the same name: Egypt hD.t, Yoruba ade "crown." Words in Egyptian that begin with h- yield zero in the C1 (first consonant) position, and feminine was dropped by New Kingdom times but written for traditions sake (kind of like how we keep the /k/ in the word "know" but don't pronounce it). It's one thing to have the same word for "crown" in your language, but it's another thing completely for them to be the same style as well. This isn't the result of some proto-history common ancestry. If it was, everyone who had a kingdom along the Savannah belt would have these crowns and they'd all be the same name.[/qb][/QUOTE]Egyptian 'crowns' or headdresses like many African headdresses are symbolic. When you say they are of the exact same styles, what is the basis of your claim? I mean do you know if the symbolism of the Egyptian white crown or hedjet is the same as that of the Yoruba kings? Also the root word [i]hedj[/i] in hedjet means WHITE so your corollary with the Yoruba word 'ade' is already debunked. This is what I'm talking about. I'm not denying a common African even Saharan relation between West African cultures like Yoruba and east African cultures like Egypt, but one should be careful about exactitude especially in the case of language. Diop's demonstration with Wolof is more accurate than yours. [QUOTE][qb]I am working on a book now where I demonstrate conclusively that what we know as the major aspects of Egyptian cosmology and religion is in fact Bantu-Philosophy and culture par excellance! These features came out of central Kongo/Uganda/Sudan and moved up the Nile (even to Sumeria: Campbell-Dunn argues for a Kongo origins to the Sumerian language a little earlier than 3000 BCE). Language is not independent from people and where ever people move, language and culture moves with them. These are the things I painstakingly bring out in my work. My most recent example can be found here in regards to the god Wsr (Osiris), the God Esu and the wAs "scepter" (ashe in Yoruba): http://www.asarimhotep.com/documentdownloads/originsoftheconceptofashe.pdf [/qb][/QUOTE]And it is exactly this kind of sloppy scholarship that gets Africanist scholarship in trouble. The whole Bantu-Sumerian claim is as wacky as Clyde Winter's Mandingo-Sumerian-Dravidian claim. :o [/QB][/QUOTE]
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