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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [QB] [QUOTE]But if you only want [b]metric traits[/b], no problem[/QUOTE]I have no idea what you're talking about. The things that are looked at during metric analysis are not traits. [QUOTE][b]Swetnet seems to be familar with this one...[/b]once again they group far away from most 'sub saharans'.[/QUOTE]Indeed I'm familiar with it. Familiar enough to know that the study used [b]nonmentric traits[/b] as well, (not metric traits as you're falsely stating) which is why I brought Ricaut (2008) up in the first place. Another thing, without having access to the unpublished data of both studies, how can you know that the North African remains grouped away from Sub Saharan Africans, let alone that they grouped ''far away''? [QUOTE][b]How can they be considered Black[/b] when they group with all West Eurasians before a large majority of sub saharans?[/QUOTE]Because ''black' refers to skin pigmentation, not discrete traits. This is a very odd question. [QUOTE]The ancient Egyptians were ethnically/racially [b]closest to the populations geographically closest to them[/b]...unsurprisingly...[/QUOTE]Indeed, and not at all to Europeans. [QUOTE]and probably to a lessor extent North (into the Levant). Frank Yurco had a good write up about them 20 years ago.[/QUOTE]Frank Yurco is not a biological anthropologist. Discrete traits (which you seem to prefer over other data) has Ancient Egyptians MUCH closer to Nigerians (Ashanti) than to Palestinians. [QUOTE]The only relationship they had with Europeans..even the most Southern ones like Greeks or Italians...[b]is that they belonged to perhaps the same broad Macro super race as Europeans belong to.[/b][/QUOTE]Evidence/indications? [QUOTE]As far as osteological evidence.... well [b]Cranio-facial analysis is the way to go.[/b][/QUOTE]Limb proportions are way more effective than facial analysis in this kind of dynamic ie, settling the question of whether there was gene flow between high and low latitude populations. Limb proportion data is always going to trump craniofacial analysis when it comes to this; no matter how much a high and low latitude populations may seem alike craniofacially. Extreme differences in appendage length (which is the case between Europeans and Naqadans) will rule out such a relationship, DESPITE cranio-facial likeness. It is well known that facial features can easily arise because of convergent evolution. Appendage length can too, but no low latitude population is going to maintain their ‘’tropical’’ appendage length if they are significantly affected by immigrant people who have been long time residents outside of the tropics. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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