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[QUOTE]Originally posted by dana marniche: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by dana marniche: [qb] http://hamiticunion.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=print&thread=29 It turns out the Euronuts are not as Neanderdumb as one might have been misled to think. They can actually be excused for their constant harping on themes thought to be mostly long obsolete in the West. Turns out there is a big gap in the modern academy between those who are true adherents to population biology's tenant of non-racial thinking and those who still apparently think such a thing as a true black or "Negroid" exists, - much like their early counterparts Coon, Dart, Camps, Strouhal and the anthropologists of National Geographic, etcetera. Euronuts are deeply reliant on these new or modern versions of the "racial scientologists" just mentioned. Among these new raciologists are the much quoted and apparently wrongly cited (by Afrocentrists)-Alain Froment - who still believes in such a thing as a brown intermediate race. He and a few others within the French and Spanish academies in fact still believe in the black Caucasoid view of Seligman and "brown" African theory of Elliot Smith which is contingent on the true Negro or "true black" theory. (Although most of the rest of the scientific world have done away with the concept and stereotype of the true black or Negroid.) That is why the Euronut and hamitic wannabe administrator of the board hamiticunion has put down Jean Hiernaux who wisely noted about the east Africans - "There is every reason to believe that they are ancestral to the living 'Elongated East Africans'. Their features can be found in several living populations, who are very dark skinned and DIFFER GREATLY FROM EUROPEANS IN A NUMBER OF BODY PROPORTIONS. Neither of these populations, fossil and modern, should be considered to be closely related to Caucasoids of Europe and western Asia.." Hiernaux, J. 1975 The Peoples of Africa, p. 62 . The hamiticunion board administrator so intent on making the ancient hamites i.e. original Berbers, Egyptians etc not only into non-Negroids, but into non-blacks (as if that were possible :rolleyes: ) writes wistfully on the forum at the above url: "Froment is a world-renowned authority on African anthropology, having been a former colleague of Jean Hiernaux (some of whose theories he also debunked in later papers) and one of the main consultants on Sarah Tishkoff's influential 2009 genetic study on African populations." So now we know where and why Tishkoff went awry. Needless to say, it shows that there has been a school of thought within anthropology "scholarship" intent on keeping alive "the "Mediterranean man" of Coon and Camps' race mythology. It also explains why the average Euronut without blinking can in fact write to you about the genetics of Central East Africa and even 50,000 year old Aterians in Niger clearly thinking he/she is talking about some near black "Caucasian" of some sort ancestral to himself, not you supposed "Negroids". Of course then there are the Spanish authors of confusion with their wacky reintroduction of the notion of the Eurasian Caucasian origin of ancient Maghrebis and even east Africans of 30 to 40,000 years ago. Here is Maca-Meyer's "scientific" findings about these stealthy Caucasians - "Conclusions: The first detectable expansion occurred around 59,000–69,000 years ago from Africa, independently colonizing western Asia and India and, following this southern route, swiftly reaching east Asia. Within Africa, this expansion did not replace but mixed with older lineages detectable today only in Africa. Around 39,000–52,000 years ago, the western Asian branch spread radially, bringing Caucasians to North Africa and Europe, also reaching India, and expanding to north and east Asia. More recent migrations have entangled but not completely erased these primitive footprints of modern human expansions." "Major genomic mitochondrial lineages delineate early human expansions" Department of Genetics, Faculty of Biology, University of La Laguna, Tenerife, 38271, Spain BMC 2001. Of course this is Maca-Meyer's code talk for "some Caucasians came back from Asia 40,000 years ago giving birth to current coastal North Africans, while those who turned black further southeast have obviously mixed with the true teeming black race who never left the sub-Saharan region." (Yes, it is Hamitic theory gone wild.) :rolleyes: The truth of the matter is part of the French Academy has been influenced by earlier anthropologists like Camps who wrote much on the Berbers proclaiming them early "white Mediterraneans". Below Froment quotes another Frenchman's study G. Billy, writing "it is strange to note that the modern Hamite Ethiopian series (Tigre) and even Somali-Galla remain virtually exempt of any black contribution. The Ethiopian plateaus must therefore have remained far from the currents of black immigration which took the natural route of the Nile, whether during the dynastic period or later and more intensively, from the beginning of our era on[...] The entire Upper Egypt series from the fourth millennium up to the Roman period may be grouped inside a relatively narrow band located in the interval for the C2H distance between 0.17 and 0.27 for the men and 0.15-0.35 for the women. The Nubians of the dynastic age, except for those of the group C, are found precisely in these zones to which a common morphological type corresponds. Although related to the above Middle Egypt type, they differ from it by a narrow head, a lower face and a broader nose. During the dynastic era, this last variety covered a wide central zone of the Nile valley, stretching well beyond towards East Africa, as shown by the similarity which persists with the present-day Ethiopian populations (Tigre) or even Somali. By virtue both of its diffusion and its perenniality, they deserve to be assimilated to the basic population type of the Egypto-Nubian complex." One might of course wonder why the Somali and Tigre are not designated black considering the jet and blue blackness of many of them as well as their rather African hair. But then it becomes clear with the mentioning of a broad nose which is the giveaway. In emailing the British Africanist and anthropologist Wyatt McGaffey recently he wrote back something implying that most scholars did not believe in the hamitic theory anymore or that it was not taken seriously, but clearly this is not the case. In the attack on Afrocentrism so condescendingly voiced by the non-anthropologist Stephen Howe about African American historians he expressed his view that of a "moribund state" of the older "Eurocenttric" "Mediterranean race" theory. Afrocentrism: Mythical Pasts and Imagined Homes p. 116 But in fact nothing is further from the truth, not only is the older theory not dead but it has devolved into something even more manipulative and diabolical, as is shown bn the way some are now combining it with genetics to maintain the concept of the Euroconceptualized black of Tarzan fame i.e. true "Negroid". Looks like Diop's argument is still in vogue. Euro supremacist clap trap genetic-style has reloaded the hamitic theory of their eugenicist forefathers. Scary stuff. :eek: [/qb][/QUOTE]GOod exposure of the dubious "hamitic union" Dana. Their claims easily fall flat on examination in 3 ways. [IMG]http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/6109/tropicalafridiversityna.jpg[/IMG] 1) So-called "leading authority" Froment has in no way "debunked" the data of Hiernaux. To the contrary- Hiernaux's balanced model of African diversity, including elongated Africans, has been confirmed multiple times, using both skeletal evidence and DNA, and is so cited by Keita 1991, 1999, 2005 etc. The only "debunking" is of the bogus fantasies of the equally bogus "hamitic" "union". [IMG]http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/8717/africanm1a.jpg[/IMG] 2. Maca-Meyer's claims are unimpressive as part of any racial "Kakazoid" model of expansion. We all know that there has been ancient gene flow via the crossroads that is the Middle East, but at what point did such gene flow become "Kakazoid", save as yet another self-serving Eurocentric labeling exercise? In fact, Maca-Meyer undermines assorted "Kakazoid" race models by noting that gene differentiation was ALREADY occurring WITHIN Africa t`ens of thousands of years ago. IN other words, the gene variants that would become distinctive in Asia and the "Middle East" were ALREADY taking place WITHIN Africa BEFORE any SIGNIFICANT EXPANSION OUTWARD. These would grow more distinct due to time and distance from Africa but the founding variants and/or proto-variants were ALREADY in place WITHIN Africa. Hence, African fishermen migrating into the Sinai PEnisula or Arabia circa 60kya did not suddenly become "Middle Eastern" or "Eurasian" nor does a white guy who crosses the Rio Grande into Mexico suddenly become "Hispanic." THis is the cynical labeling game being foisted on the gullible by the European academy to de-africanize tropical African peoples, or minimize their built in indigenous diversity. [IMG]http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3941/backflowblues.jpg[/IMG] 3. Claims of "racial backflow" (however disguised with labels like "EUrasian" or "Middle Eastern") fall short, because those "backflowing" ALREADY RESEMBLED TROPICAL AFRICANS as proved by credible studies. It is hilarious to watch the self-serving hypocrisy of Eurocentrics. When dark-skinned, broad-nosed people with tropical limb proportions are found far west of the Sahara they are firmly "true negroes." WHen similar people are found in Arabia, the SInai or Iraq they comnveniently become "Eurasian." THe bogus "hamitic union" is a prime example of this hypocrisy in operation. [/qb][/QUOTE]Zarahan - although I agree for the most part with you, my purpose for presenting the Mediterranean nationalist's hamiticunion post was to show where European academics in Europe have been contributing to misleading these Euronutzies in their delusional belief system. The hamiticunion poster has said that the translation was taken from Fromen's paper. I am assuming he is using a different one than the one you have posted. However, the fact that Froment wrote the below means that he is absolutely NOT stating that only blacks fit the variations of the ancient Egyptians. In fact it is clear he is stating the opposite in the below paragraph as the hamiticunion poster has said, and using a revised form of hamitic theory. "The physique of the ancient Egyptians is exactly equidistant between Europeans and "negro" Africans' one one hand, certain populations of the Mediterranean, (and) on the other in the Horn of Africa (the Tigre and Somalis), fall within the range of the gamut of variation in ancient Egyptians." "le physique des Egyptiens Anciens est exactement à équidistance de celui des Européens et de celui des négro-africains; certaines populations de la Méditerranée d'une part, de la Corne de l'Afrique (Tigré, Somalie) de l'autre, tombent à l'intérieur de la gamme de variation des Egyptiens Anciens." That is very different than simply saying: "Black populations of the Horn of Africa (Tigré and Somalia) fit well into Egyptian variations." (Froment, Alain, Origines du peuplement de l’Égypte ancienne: l’apport de l’anthropobiologie, Archéo-Nil 2 (Octobre 1992), 79-98) So I am assuming the hamitic union poster either translating from a different paper, or that the latter statement has been taken without its full context. The hamiticunion poster also may have taken liberties with the words "negro" or "Negroid" in some of its English translations, replacing it with "black" which is normally translated as "noire" in French. In any case, if Froment made the statement that there is no "negroid" element in the ancient Egyptians that is of course different than saying no black, and it can only mean he is referring to so-called "hamitic" black populations that may not have had as obvious Negroid element as do populations further west and south today in the Horn. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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