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[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [QB] Of the Roman provinces in Africa Numidia was considered to be berber and these berbers were a client kingdom of the Romans. this is a list of the Numidian king names http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_kings_of_Numidia I'm not sure of the etymology of the names but apart from Juba the names don't sound that African, I could be wrong. Look into it, could be more Punic or Punic/Romanic. Juba II was king of ancient Maureitania (spelled with an "e" pictured in the map Mike put up, occupying part of Morroco/ Algeria - not modern Mauritania) The people of Numidia and Maureitania were considered to be of the same or similar stock. The English word "Moor" is derived from this "Maure" or "Mauri" - Maure-tania. Mike says he belives the word Moor to mean "wasteland". Much later and in three invasions the Muslims conquered the Maghreb. If you look at the map Mike put up we can see that the people who were much later to conquer Iberia in 711 were from this region that used to be Numidia/Mauretania. The Arabian Caliphate in power in that later period was the Umayyad 661-750 Later the Almoravids 1040-1147 expanded the Muslim empire further south to the Senegal river converting and confederating Sanhaja tries and invading Ghana and intermarrying with Ghanians getting back to the earlier Numidian/Maureitania kings, there are several of these Numidian/Maureitania kings you can see examples of coins of. Go through the list, do your own research, Jugartha, Syphax etc. There were two Jubas. They were the late kings of the region. Juba i of Numidian and Juba II his son of Mauretania The father had what appears to be a dred looking hairstyle. Below is a coin of him. It was made by the mint of Utica. Utica ( is an ancient city northwest of Carthage near the outflow of the Medjerda River into the Mediterranean Sea, traditionally considered to be the first colony founded by the Phoenicians in North Africa. When a coin like this [IMG]http://www.beastcoins.com/RomanProvincial/NorthAfrica-Numidia/JubaI-Sear6607.jpg[/IMG] becomes worn down it looks like this: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mike111: Juba I of Numidia (c. 85 BC – 46 BC) was the son and successor to King of Numidia Hiempsal II. [IMG]http://realhistoryww.com./world_history/ancient/Misc/North_Africa/Juba_I.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE]and we discover one of Mike's typical tricks, find a version of an artifact that is more worn down where the wear itself causes the features to look more ambiguous, softer, flatter. The are still more Juba II coins you can find on the internet.I think they may go for a couple G. Then if you have the same type of artifact in better condition Mike will say it's fake. That's his game. If you ask him for evidence it's fake he will say that it is not possible for a coin of this age to be in good condition. That is what he considers "evidence" Now imagine all the similarly old Greek and Roman coins that are in decent condition. Now according to Mike's theory they are all fake. Here are some more of the Juab I and Juba II coins Mike says are fake due to their condition being better: http://www.coinarchives.com/a/results.php?results=100&search=Juba [QUOTE] Juba I of Numidia (c. 85 BC – 46 BC) was the son and successor to King of Numidia Hiempsal II. [/QUOTE]Juba I's mother was unknown His father as Mike says was Hiempsal II. Coins of Hiempsal II exist Put this " Hiempsal II coin" in google images search take a look at some of the coins, report back to me [/QB][/QUOTE]
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