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[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: [qb] Usually religious imperialists like Muslims and Christians don't like that most ancient great civilizations were NOT based on their sacro-saint muhammed or christ but based on ancestral religion. Green Saharan civilization = ancestral religion Kush civilization = ancestral religion Ancient Egypt = ancestral religion Chinese empire = ancestral religion Mayan civilization = ancestral religion Olmec civilization = ancestral religion Great Zimbabwe/Khami civilization = ancestral religion Ancient Greek civilization = ancestral religion Ancient Roman = ancestral religion Abrahimic religions actually slowed down progress with their backward thinking based on a fixed book writings. In Europe, Christians destroyed what Ancient Greeks particularly and Romans started [b]only to led Europe to the horrible middle ages[/b] . Only European distancing themselves from christianity in favor of a more scientific/natural view of life led Europe through the Renaissance (although Christianity wasn't completely rejected at that time like it is now). Even then, saying the earth was round or not at the center of the universe was once anti-christ. Scientific thinking, heresy. The real scientific basis of Europe is in Ancient Greece. In ancestral religion thinking every people on earth have their own path to god through their ancestors. [b]They are not intolerant of each people religions.[/b] At first, they didn't see anything wrong in christianity and islam because they were just another religion from other people. Another cult. Little they know those people wanted to religiously colonize us and eliminate and any other religions on earth (including each others of course). If they knew that they probably would have viewed [b]those imperialist intolerant religions[/b] differently right from the start. [/qb][/QUOTE]do you practice ancestral veneration rituals? I don't know if it's proper to call things like Greek or Egyptian religions "ancestral religions" wiki An ethnoreligious group (or ethno-religious group) is an ethnic group of people whose members are also unified by a common religious background. Ethnoreligious communities define their ethnic identity neither exclusively by ancestral heritage nor simply by religious affiliation, but often through a combination of both[citation needed] (a long shared history; a cultural tradition of its own; either a common geographical origin, or descent from a small number of common ancestors; a common language, not necessarily peculiar to the group; a common literature peculiar to the group; a common religion different from that of neighbouring groups; being a minority or being an oppressed or a dominant group within a larger community). Examples of ethnic groups defined by ancestral religions are the Jews, the Druze of the Levant, the Copts of Egypt, the Yazidi of northern Iraq, the Zoroastrians of Iran and India, and the Serer of Senegal, the Gambia and Mauritania. _____________________________________ I think when you say "ancestral realions" you mean ancestor veneration (some call it ancestor worship) "Ancestral Religion" is just a religion that is passed on based ancestral heritage (as described above) Veneration of the Dead is based on the belief that the deceased, often family members have a continued existence and/or possess the ability to influence the fortune of the living. Some groups venerate their ancestors; some faith communities, in particular the Catholic Church, venerate saints as intercessors with God. Ancestor veneration is very prevalent throughout Africa and serves as the basis of many religions. It is often augmented by a belief in a supreme being, but prayers and/or sacrifices are usually offered to the ancestors who may ascend to becoming minor deities themselves. Ancestor veneration remains among many Africans, sometimes practiced alongside the later adopted religions of Christianity (as in Nigeria among the Igbo people) and Islam (among the different Mandé peoples and the Bamum) in much of the continent. Ancestral veneration in some cultures (such as Chinese) (敬祖, pinyin: jėngzǔ), as well as ancestor worship (拜祖, pinyin: bāizǔ), seeks to honor and reminiscence the actions of the deceased; the ultimate homage to the dead. The importance of paying respect to parents (and elders) lies with the fact that all physical bodily aspects of one's being were created by one's parents, who continued to tend to one's well-being until one is on firm footings. The respect and the homage to parents, is to return this gracious deed to them in life and after, the ultimate homage. The shi (尸; "corpse, personator") was a Zhou Dynasty (1045 BCE-256 BCE) sacrificial representative of a dead relative. During a shi ceremony, the ancestral spirit supposedly would enter the personator, who would eat and drink sacrificial offerings and convey spiritual messages. ________________________________________________ Ancestral Veneration/Worship can be the basis of a religion but because the veneration of worship of one's personal relatives is practiced in rituals it does not mean that the religion is an "Ancestral religion". The Ancestral Veneration/Worship is sometimes something practiced alongside a religion that has various gods and deities which are not considered ancestors. Only in certain religions are one's ancestors that are venerated/ worshiped the same as gods/deities that are also worshiped [/QB][/QUOTE]
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