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[QUOTE]Originally posted by africurious: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: [qb] DJ. You forget that the concept seperating the Levitical and Mosaic/Halakah Law is that it is NOT based on the Life, Actions, Dictates, Words, and Behavior of Moses. the Sunnah is based SOLEY on Muhammads behavior. What he liked and did not like, for example Dogs and Bells, what he ate, who he liked and did'nt like, the Banning of Drinking Alcohol and the punishment of 80 Lashes is NO WHERE in the Koran but the Sunnah, the Hijab and Nikab, again the Sunnah. This is a Cult, Christians and Jews do not have laws based on the Actions and Behavior of their founder prophet. The Subject is as Touchy as the Neo-Nazi cult. Plenty of people ascribe to the Neo-Nazi's but the Subject and ideology is hated, rightfully so, by all and any thinking and logical human being with a decent sense of honor and intelligence. The Same should be with Islam. Under Sharia it is MANDATORY to treat non Muslims as 2nd Class Citizens, and this only extends to Jews and Xtians aka Dhimies. All Atheists, Polytheists, Hindus, Buddhists, Animists are subject to being and are actively GENOCIDED in Islamic States. Islam has had plenty of time to reform and was among the first in human history of all the major Religions to do so, only to revert back to the gutter of the 6th Century Arabia by Koran Abiding Muslims. Andalus, the Abasids, Fatimid Egypt the Persian and Indian Muslim empires are all examples of about as secular as you can get in an Islamic State. The Billions of Muslims who don't abide by or read the Koran is meaningless. Most of them flock to our Secular Democracies from Sweden to India and demand every right under the sun while in their homelands they deny the very same rights not only to other Muslims of other sects but to non Muslims and Women. The Sad part is what Islam has done to the Eastern Empires such as Egypt, Persia India etc. which were the bastions of free thought, philosophy, Art, Architecture, Mathmatics, science etc. The Persians and Egyptians even today, (in West of Course), Rank as some of the top Math and Science Professionals, Doctors and Engineers, all due to the Secularism of Western Thought. If they were living in Iraq, Egypt, or Pakistan they'd be a bunch of moronic, stupified, poverty stricken idiots under the dictates of Mullahs and Imams attending 3rd rate Madrassa Higher Learning pisspots such as Al-Azhar, but in the West they flourish like Roses. Hell it was the French and British who dug up the Temples of Km.t and deciphered the Mdu-Ntr which allowed us to rediscover Kemet. The Muhammadan occupiers of Egypt and their coverted subjects had no care in the world about Kemet after their arabization. [/qb][/QUOTE]You seem to be using a segment of muslims (those anonymous and varied ones on youtube and zealots of various times and places) to describe the entire body of muslims. Sounds similar to how eurocentrics use quacks likes Prof. Jeffries to define "afrocentrists" so they can easily "win" the argument. It should be obvious to anyone who's studied islamic history that much of the deeds and sayings attributed to mohammed are not his. This was just used as justification by various islamic rulers to gain adherence to certain laws they pushed, to support their claims to leadership, or whatever else was useful to their ends. How is this different than in christianity and judaism? Christians made up passages and even whole books in the bible to support their particular doctrine. There are even contradictory deeds and sayings by jesus, depending on who wrote the particular passage of the bible. Since in the case of christianity, the deeds and sayings of jesus replace mohammed as justification to follow certain precepts. Sure, there is no equivalent to the sunnah in christianity but similar made up deeds and sayings used (though to a lesser extent than in islam). Judaism too has a whole lot that is made up in terms of what prophet did what and said what. All 3 holy books of the "abrahamic" religions are filled with contradictions and **** that was made up to justify what the particular author (or authority) wanted to foister on the people. All 3 books have many contributing authors over long periods of time (hence the contradictions) but official religious doctrine gives the false impression that these books are 1 pristine ideology. You make a good point that officially non-muslims are officially 2nd class citizens in islam but non-jews and non-christians were de facto 2nd class citizens in lands ruled by jews (palestine after the return from captivity, the Hasmonean kingdom, Kazaria, etc.) and christians (all through out europe, and parts of SW asia and N Africa). The degree of "2nd classness" depended upon the vissicitudes of the time, place and leader. So, again, what you describe in islam can be found in the other 2 abrahamic religions. Also like the christianity and judaism, islam has had to struggle with stifling religious doctrine/authority. Following islam doesn't preclude countries/people from progress (as you seem to suggest). It is simply the matter that europe has won the battle against the religious straight-jacket while most islamic societies have not. Also, have you thought about the fact that the copts in egypt also didn't care about digging up kemetic temples as you say the muslims didn't? Islam alone is not to blame for egyptian lack of interest in kemet and in fact the lack of interest probably started long before the majority of egypt started to follow Islam. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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