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[QUOTE]Originally posted by africurious: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by africurious: [qb] You seem to be using a segment of muslims (those anonymous and varied ones on youtube and zealots of various times and places) to describe the entire body of muslims. Sounds similar to how eurocentrics use quacks likes Prof. Jeffries to define "afrocentrists" so they can easily "win" the argument.[/QUOTE]Where did I say that the Muslims I debate on youtube represent every single Muslim out of the billions who practice the faith? Also what does this have to do with the subject matter? [QUOTE]It should be obvious to anyone who's studied islamic history that much of the deeds and sayings attributed to mohammed are not his.[/QUOTE]This is such a lame excuse. Many of the Hadiths were stories around that Muslims knew about before they were recorded and many customs Muhammadans follow COME From these very Hadiths. Funny how after a thousand some off of years of Hadiths being pushed suddenly Muslims are questioning their Validity? Really, then stop wearing the Hijab and Nikab, Get out of Jerusalem, Tear down Dome of the Rock, etc. etc. Without the Hadiths Islam would fall apart. [QUOTE]This was just used as justification by various islamic rulers to gain adherence to certain laws they pushed, to support their claims to leadership, or whatever else was useful to their ends.[/QUOTE]This may very well be the case as Robert Spencer's new book, Did Muhammad exist claims. Who knows, just shows how scattered and stupid Islam is as a cult belief system. [QUOTE]How is this different than in christianity and judaism? Christians made up passages and even whole books in the bible to support their particular doctrine.[/QUOTE]Show me where any of these Gospels tell Christians to Follow the Actions of Jesus when he was alive? To follow and venerate what he ate, what he kissed, who he married, what he liked, what he hated etc. Show me the Law in Christianity off of these Gospels. Also who gives a flying **** about Christianity, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ISLAM, Got a problem With Christianity make a thread, why everytime Islam is bought up you Muhammadans and/or Muhammadan apologists point fingers at others. Own up to your own depravity stupidity and backwardness. [QUOTE]Sure, there is no equivalent to the sunnah in christianity but similar made up deeds and sayings used (though to a lesser extent than in islam).[/QUOTE]Yeah so then what is your point. [QUOTE]Judaism too has a whole lot that is made up in terms of what prophet did what and said what. All 3 holy books of the "abrahamic" religions are filled with contradictions and **** that was made up to justify what the particular author (or authority) wanted to foister on the people. All 3 books have many contributing authors over long periods of time (hence the contradictions) but official religious doctrine gives the false impression that these books are 1 pristine ideology.[/QUOTE]Yeah but only ONE of them is currently trying to push their Garbage Religious Law in our Secular Democracies. If you wanna follow Sharia, take your ass to an Islamic Country, we don't want or need you in the west. [QUOTE]You make a good point that officially non-muslims are officially 2nd class citizens in islam but non-jews and non-christians were de facto 2nd class citizens in lands ruled by jews (palestine after the return from captivity, the Hasmonean kingdom, Kazaria, etc.) and christians (all through out europe, and parts of SW asia and N Africa). The degree of "2nd classness" depended upon the vissicitudes of the time, place and leader. So, again, what you describe in islam can be found in the other 2 abrahamic religions. [/QUOTE]Show many Any Judaic Law or Christian Law or Text that told people to Fight non-Belevers until they payed a Fucking Tax to survive unharmed in their own lands. Show me where Christians or Jews or anyone for that matter does the **** Muslims do, Killing anyone who would dare build Cathedral, Synagog or PAgan Temple in their lands but building the Largest most Grand Mosques in our lands. As bad as Christians were and Jews they allowed others way more rights than Muslims ever did or ever will. Islam is the most intolerant of all the 3 religions. [QUOTE]Also like the christianity and judaism, islam has had to struggle with stifling religious doctrine/authority. Following islam doesn't preclude countries/people from progress (as you seem to suggest).[/QUOTE]Really?? Egypt-3,000 Plus yrs of Progress, scientific, Architectural, and Philosophical thought. Every Ancient Source speaks of the Wisdom of Egypt etc. Even during the Coptic/Roman Occupation Egypt is the center of learning. Egypt Under Islam-Modern Egypt. Poverty Stricken, Rual, Backward and steeped in the stupidity of Sharia, MAdrassa Ranting and Chanting, and the Ranting and Chanting of Alazhar AKA Fatwa University. Persia-The Light of the Middle East. Architectural, Mathmatical, etc. Leader, Persia's Sophistication too vast to name. Modern Persia-Iran-case closed. Yet, Rome(Italy) China, (U.K)Britania, Greece, etc. are still leaders in the world. I mean look at Turkey, they become Secular and Wa-laa.. [QUOTE]It is simply the matter that europe has won the battle against the religious straight-jacket while most islamic societies have not.[/QUOTE]Because Europe never fell victim to a bunch of Rag-headed, illiterate Hordes chanting about their dirt-bad Pedo Pirating Prophet and their Crime Syndacate the Caliphate. Christianity as stupid a religion it is allowed Europe to become Secular and seperate Church from State. [QUOTE]Also, have you thought about the fact that the copts in egypt also didn't care about digging up kemetic temples as you say the muslims didn't? Islam alone is not to blame for egyptian lack of interest in kemet and in fact the lack of interest probably started long before the majority of egypt started to follow Islam.[/QUOTE]The Copts Knew who they were, The Copts Spoke Egyptian and claimed to be Egyptian. They did'nt speak a foreign tounge, they did'nt pray to a Rock in Arabia etc. [/qb][/QUOTE]^Relax now, don't pop a vessel. I'm glad you went on that rabid rant though. It just confirms your prejudice and unclear thinking. And I'm not muslim so I don't know why your response is written as if I am. And your response shows that you are lumping all muslims together when you talk about muslims building mosques in the west but persecuting ppl in muslim countries as if it were all the same muslims doing both. And then you mention that right-wing paranoia about having sharia law in the west. The copts language was heavily greacianized though based on AE. And they still consider greeks their kin which is why the greek flag was flying at the church in coptic cairo when i went there. And the jewish egyptians who converted to judaism didn't care too much about digging up the ancient glories of kmt either. They're busy in israel now claiming to be descendants of judaeans and view euro ashkenazi as their kin instead of other egyptians. What can i say? People, their loyalties and sense of origin change with time but it's easier for you to just say it's all islam's fault. And it's laughable that you say Rome (italy) and greece are still leaders in the world cuz not many ppl share that belief. Italy and greece have been looked down upon in europe since the 18th or 19th century so i dont know what you're talking about. And china isn't leading anything either (they're still on the come up, but good try though). And what about india? Why haven't they become "leaders" yet despite no islamic rule for generations? And why is malaysia doing well despite being overwhelmingly muslim, especially in the government? I was trying to have a civil convo with you but obviously you prefer polemics instead of reasoned debate. So keep on debasing ES with the clowns and trolls that frequent here. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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