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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Baalberith: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Firewall: [qb] quote- But the white Jews (Hebrews) and white Arabs remain exactly what they always were--white; and this is why (and who pretends not to know It?) that there is a racial crisis today in Israel between the ruling white Jews and the Coloured Jews who have migrated there from the above mentioned lands. Note- Alot of those Coloureds the author is talking about above would be considered brown caucasians,meaning they are just whites with heavy black admixture or heavy enough i guess. [/qb][/QUOTE]I know this thread is old, but I just have to intervene on this one post. Firewall, when touching on the “racial” characteristic of regions such as the Middle East in “Ancient” times, you have to be very careful to not view it through the lens of every aspect of the modern world, where the cultures, ethnicities, languages, and also the genetic profile have changed and is continuing to change. The Ancient Hebrews and Ancient/Medieval Arabs were not White nor were they just mostly like their multi-racial descendants. It’s not that simple to state that some were White, some were Black, but the majority were mixed, your dealing with timeframes that occurred differently from one another and not at the same time. In fact, the last population to even be notable for their racial heterogeneity would be indigenous Arabians, who were the last people to experience demographic changes. [IMG]http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdBFegfX4AUbDmH.jpg[/IMG] A portrait of two Kindite Arabs [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Pergamon-Museum_-_Wandmalerei_3.jpg/1280px-Pergamon-Museum_-_Wandmalerei_3.jpg[/IMG] Fragment of a mural depicting a Arab King of the Kingdom of Kindah [IMG]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/--9Lt964keII/WM60-Z1QXqI/AAAAAAAADgg/tgD7EkNGGsQ7FKh5M4rWY_RXchuL4LwYwCLcB/s1600/Umayyad%2BDynasty%2Bwarriors%2B-%2BMaslama%2Babd%2Bal%2BMalik.jpg[/IMG] A Byzantine depiction of Ummayyads leader Maslama ibn Abdal- Malik with his Arabian warriors Some Quotes from Islamic writers: “The Zanj say that God did not make them black in order to disfigure them; rather it is their environment that made them so. The best evidence of this is that there are black tribes among the Arabs, such as the Banu Sulaim bin Mansur, and that all the peoples settled in the Harra, besides the Banu Sulaim are black.” Abu Uthman Al-Jahiz of Iraq 9th century A.D. “The Arabs used to take pride in their brown and black complexion (al-sumra wa al-sawād) and they had a distaste for a white and fair complexion (al-ḥumra wa al-shaqra), and they used to say that such was the complexion of the non-Arabs.” Ibn Abi al-Hadid 13th c. citing the 9th century Al-Mubarrad in Sharh nahj al-balaghah, V:56. “…the predominant complexion of the Arabs is dark brownish black and that of the non-Arabs is white.” Ibn Mandour (14th Century) Lisaan al-Arab IV:209 Here are some links that speak about the Arabs race: http://afroasiatics.blogspot.com/2013/01/normal-0-false-false-false.html?m=1 https://afroasiatics.blogspot.com/?m=0 Here is a thread done by the blogger Afroasiatica; http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=006653;p=4 http://alajamwalarab.com/ http://savethetruearabs.proboards.com/thread/4#ixzz3fcTVK69W https://qahiri.wordpress.com/2015/07/12/muslim-personalities-who-were-black-in-early-islamic-history/ [IMG]http://kemetway.com/Digest/img/photo/invaders/assyrian3.jpg[/IMG] A reconstruction of a rare colorized depiction of a Hebrew seemingly to be smithed by an Assyrian soldier [IMG]https://i.pinimg.com/736x/4e/04/ac/4e04ac8b3b103b6795cb5f00f3e85f15--black-hebrew-israelites-black-people.jpg[/IMG] The four Hebrew musicians above have also been surprisingly colorized [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Dura_Europos_fresco_Jews_cross_Red_Sea.jpg[/IMG] A fresco of Biblical character Moses leading the exodus out of Egypt by crossing the Red Sea, inside Duras-Europos Synagogue https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/binding-of-isaac-beth-alpha-fb.jpg A fresco in Jerusalem, depicting Biblical character Abraham sacrificing his son Isaac Anthropological review on the remains from the city of Lachish The excavation uncovered a mass of human bones, which was estimated to form the remains of fifteen hundred individuals....Remains of 695 skulls were brought to London by the British expedition...Curiously, the crania indicate a close resemblance to the population of Egypt at this time...'the relationships found suggest that the population of the town in 700 B.C. was entirely, or almost entirely, of Rgyptian origin...' They show further, that the population of Lakish was probably derived from Upper Egypt...If so, this indeed is a conclusion of far-reaching implication. Keep in mind that classifications such as “Mediterranean” are vague and carries with it many inconsistencies. Phenotypic diversity have no need for “racial” mixture and is a natural phenomenon among many indigenous populations. For example, here is a Negev Bedouin from the tribe of Jahaleen, in Palestine note that the man carry extremely distinct features and is dark skinned. The man by the way was over 107 years old and the picture was taken in 2014. https://eappiblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/bgsaltnes-107_year_old_selim_auda_jahaleen_khan_al_ahmar_2014-09-27-2.jpg Here’s a link to the blog I found the picture at: https://blog.eappi.org/tag/nuweima/ Here is my thread for more images: http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/3010/depictions-ancient-middle-easterners-aegeans [/QB][/QUOTE]
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