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[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [QB] [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: Ohh boy. Talk about denial. I post pictures of Africans slaving for other folks as the basis of built in and systematic poverty and these clowns talk about Europe and Japan as if that has anything to do with what is going on in Africa or Jamaica..... LOL! But ignore the fact that African countries make up most of the countries at the top of the list.[/QUOTE][/qb] Nobody is ignoring that, I put up the chart because of it, brada noticed the Jamaica, Japan thing [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: And yes the percentages on this chart are meaningless because the way the poverty index is calculated is totally different from country to country. For example the poverty index in Japan is any family living below 17,000 yen a year. Whereas in Jamaica that is for people living below $2.00 a day, which equates to less than $730 a year. People in poverty in the U.S. are those making less than $12,000 a year. By U.S. standards that is pretty bad off, but compared to Jamaica and other countries that is almost rich. [/QUOTE][/qb] You can't say the chart is entirely menaingless but I would like to see a list of countries where a more consistent system is used to assess "poverty" -what is poverty? we need a definition here's the wikpedia based on the U.N. HDI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_percentage_of_population_living_in_poverty Poverty" defined as an economic condition of lacking both money and basic necessities needed to successfully live, such as food, water, education, healthcare, and shelter. There are many working definitions of "poverty," with considerable debate on how to best define the term. Lack of income security, economic stability and the predictability of one's continued means to meet basic needs all serve as absolute indicators of poverty. Poverty may therefore also be defined as the economic condition of lacking predictable and stable means of meeting basic life needs. The first table refers to the lists of countries by the percentage of their population with an income of less than 1.25, and less than 2, US dollars per day. The sourced data refers to the most recent year available during the period 1992-2011. The second table lists countries by the percentage of the population living below the national poverty line — the poverty line deemed appropriate for a country by its authorities. National estimates are based on population-weighted subgroup estimates from household surveys. Definitions of the poverty line may vary considerably among nations. For example, rich nations generally employ more generous standards of poverty than poor nations. Thus, the numbers are not strictly comparable among countries. [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: For example, most people in Jamaica or Africa who are in poverty don't have infrastructure. They live in Shacks. Electricity and Gas don't even exist. Compare that with people in America who probably live in some sort of housing and have gas and electricity and infrastructure. That doesn't compare to the poverty in most places in Africa. [/qb][/QUOTE]One could argue that human beings who have been living for hundreds of thousands of years without electricity, gas, central heating, vaccines, anti-biotics, central heating, cars, telephones, computers, etc - acquired these things due to a very capitalistic industrial revolution. Not that that justifies the exploitation that went along with it but is something to consider [/QB][/QUOTE]
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