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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Dead: [qb] Ok, so he wrote some papers debunking Sertima's lies. Actually I've cited his papers on here before, they're pretty good. He books though have nothing to do with Afrocentrism. Aztec Medicine, Health, and Nutrition by Bernard R. Ortiz de Montellano http://www.amazon.com/Medicine-Health-Nutrition-Bernard-Montellano/dp/0813515637 Myths of Ancient Mexico. by Michel Graulich, Bernard R. Ortiz de Montellano, Thelma Ortiz de Montellano Tamoanchan, Tlalocan: Places of Mist by Alfredo López Austin, Bernard R. Ortiz de Montellano, Thelma Ortiz de Montellano He seems to write about Aztec folklore myth etc. In contrast Clyde, you spend 100% of your book time claiming 'blacks' founded all world civilizations. http://www.amazon.com/Clyde-Winters/e/B00ALYO4EI/ref=sr_tc_2_0?qid=1417966209&sr=1-2-ent African Empires in Ancient America by Dr. Clyde Winters (Apr 4, 2013) The Ancient Black Civilizations of Asia Apr 26, 2013 by Dr Clyde Winters Your crackpot books don't even have proper publishers like Quetzalcoatl's. [/qb][/QUOTE]LOL. A Book's publisher has nothing to do with the contents of a book. I am glad you mentioned The Ancient Black Civilizations of Asia, it is my number 1, selling book. Bernards' papers are mainly attacking Afrocentrism. They present no counter evidence falsifying any Afrocentric claims, they only want the reader to take his word that the material is false. [IMG]https://0.academia-photos.com/90570/25171/23225/s200_bernard.ortiz_de_montellano.jpg[/IMG] Quetzalcoatl or Bernard Ortiz de Montellano you’re nothing but a crank. If not for Ivan and Afrocentrism you would be a nobody. Bernard claims to have published 48 articles, but I only found 24 of your papers , on your Academia.edu page. [QUOTE] 1.Ghosts of the imagination. John Bierhorst's translation of Cantares Mexicanosmore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano 2. Ethnohistory, Aztecs, Classical Nahuatl, Aztec Art, Religion, & Politics before and after the conquest, and Aztec poetry<div>()</div> 3. Black Warrior Dynasty: Afrocentricity and the New Worldmore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano 4. More Info: English version of: “BLACK WARRIOR DYNASTS”:L’AFROCENTRISME ET LE NOUVEAU MONDE. In Fauvelle, F.-X., Chretien, J.-P., Perrot, C.-H. (eds.). Afrocentrismes. L’histoire des Africains entre Égypte et Amérique, 249-270 Paris: Karthala (2000) 5. Ethnopharmacology of Mexican asteraceamore,by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano 6. Review Van Sertima Early America Revisitedmore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano 7. Post Modern Culturalism and Scientific Illiteracymore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano 8.Teaching Multicultural Science Rigorously: Culturally Relevant Sciencemore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano 9.counting skulls;: comment on the Aztec cannibalism theory of Harner-Harrismoreby Bernard Ortiz de Montellano 10. Afrocentric creationismmore,by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano 11. Afrocentric pseudoscience vs, culturally relevant sciencemore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano 12. Medicina y Salud en Mesoamericamore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano 13. A Methodology for Cross-Cultural Ethnomedical Researchmore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano 14. Empirical Aztec Medicinemore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano 15. Plant Evidence for Contact Between African and the New Worldmore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano 16. The Dogon People Revisitedmore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano 17. They Were Not Here Before Columbus: Afrocentricity in the 1990'smore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano 18. Robbing Native American Cultures: Van Sertima's Afrocentricity and the Olmecsmore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano 19. Post Modern Culturalism and Scientific Illiteracymore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano 20. Aztec Cannibalism: An Ecological Necessity?more, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano 21. Magic, Melanin Speading Scientific Iliteracy Among Minorities: Part IImore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano 22. Multicultural Pseudoscience: Spreadding Scientific Iliteracy Among Minorities: part Imore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano 23. Melanin, Afrocentricity, and Pseudosciencemore, by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano 24. Caida de mollera: Aztec sources for a Mesoamerican disease of alleged Spanish originmore by Bernard Ortiz de Montellano [/QUOTE]An examination of your articles indicate that 17/24 of your articles are attacking Afrocentrism. That is 71% of your work. This makes it clear your only claim to fame is attacking Ivan van Sertima. You have rode the back of Afrocentrism. You are trying to regain some relevancy attacking my work. But as I said I do original research and Bernard will not get away with spreading lies about my work without a fight. He is a pathetic crank. Real scholars makes a name for themself producing original research--all Bernard writes are attacks on Ivan van Sertima's work which was published in the 1970's. Knowledge about the origin of the Olmecs has advanced since then. The fact remains the Olmecs do not appear in Mexico until after 1200BC. There is no secret about the Olmecs. Eurocentrists know that the Olmec do not appear in Mexico until after 1200BC. Some researchers claim that I am wrongly ruling out an “indigenous revolution” for the origin of the Olmec civilization. This is their opinion—the archaeological evidence, not I, suggest that the founders of the Olmec civilization were not “indigenous” people. In the Olmec World: Ritual and Rulership (1995), (ed.) by Carolyn Tate, on page 65, we find the following statement”Olmec culture as far as we know seems to have no antecedents; no material models remain for its monumental constructions and sculptures and the ritual acts captured in small objects”. M. Coe, writing in Regional Perspective on the Olmecs (1989), (ed.) by Sharer and Grove, observed that “ on the contrary, the evidence although negative, is that the Olmec style of art, and Olmec engineering ability suddenly appeared full fledged from about 1200 BC”. Mary E. Pye, writing in Olmec Archaeology in Mesoamerica (2000), (ed.) by J.E. Cark and M.E. Pye,makes it clear after a discussion of the pre-Olmec civilizations of the Mokaya tradition, that these cultures contributed nothing to the rise of the Olmec culture. Pye wrote “The Mokaya appear to have gradually come under Olmec influence during Cherla times and to have adopted Olmec ways. We use the term olmecization to describe the processes whereby independent groups tried to become Olmecs, or to become like the Olmecs” (p.234). Pye makes it clear that it was around 1200 BC that Olmec civilization rose in Mesoamerica. She continues “Much of the current debate about the Olmecs concerns the traditional mother culture view. For us this is still a primary issue. Our data from the Pacific coast show that the mother culture idea is still viable in terms of cultural practices. The early Olmecs created the first civilization in Mesoamerica; they had no peers, only contemporaries” (pp.245-46). Richard A. Diehl The Olmecs:America’s first civilization (2005), wrote “ The identity of these first Olmecs remains a mystery. Some scholars believe they were Mokaya migrants from the Pacific coast of Chiapas who brought improved maize strains and incipient social stratification with them. Others propose that Olmec culture evolved among the local indigenous populations without significant external stimulus. I prefer the latter position, but freely admit that we lack sufficient information on the period before 1500 BC to resolve the issue” (p.25). Pool (17-18), in Olmec Archaeology and early MesoAmerica (2007), argues that continuity exist between the Olmec and pre-Olmec cultures in Mexico “[even]though Coe now appears to favor an autochthonous origin for Olmec culture (Diehl & Coe 1995:150), he long held that the Olmec traits appeared at San Lorenzo rather suddenly during the Chicharras phase (ca 1450-1408 BC) (Coe 1970a:25,32; Coe and Diehl 1980a:150)”. Pool admits (p.95), that “this conclusion contrasts markedly with that of the excavators of San Lorenzo, who reported dramatic change in ceramic type and argued on this basis for a foreign incursion of Olmecs into Olman (Coe and Diehl 1980a, p.150).” [b] The evidence presented by these authors make it clear that the Olmec introduced a unique culture to Mesoamerica that was adopted by the Mesoamericans. As these statements make it clear that was no continuity between pre-Olmec cultures and the Olmec culture. [/b] Prior to the Olmec the Pre-Classic cultures were founded by Blacks. Bernard you will never be able to prove that the Olmecs were not Mande speakers from Africa. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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