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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters: [An examination of your articles indicate that 17/24 of your articles are attacking Afrocentrism. That is 71% of your work. This makes it clear your only claim to fame is attacking Ivan van Sertima. You have rode the back of Afrocentrism. You are trying to regain some relevancy attacking my work. But as I said I do original research and Bernard will not get away with spreading lies about my work without a fight. He is a pathetic crank. Real scholars makes a name for themself producing original research--all Bernard writes are attacks on Ivan van Sertima's work which was published in the 1970's. Knowledge about the origin of the Olmecs has advanced since then. The fact remains the Olmecs do not appear in Mexico until after 1200BC. There is no secret about the Olmecs. Eurocentrists know that the Olmec do not appear in Mexico until after 1200BC. Some researchers claim that I am wrongly ruling out an “indigenous revolution” for the origin of the Olmec civilization. This is their opinion—the archaeological evidence, not I, suggest that the founders of the Olmec civilization were not “indigenous” people. In the Olmec World: Ritual and Rulership (1995), (ed.) by Carolyn Tate, on page 65, we find the following statement”Olmec culture as far as we know seems to have no antecedents; no material models remain for its monumental constructions and sculptures and the ritual acts captured in small objects”. M. Coe, writing in Regional Perspective on the Olmecs (1989), (ed.) by Sharer and Grove, observed that “ on the contrary, the evidence although negative, is that the Olmec style of art, and Olmec engineering ability suddenly appeared full fledged from about 1200 BC”. Mary E. Pye, writing in Olmec Archaeology in Mesoamerica (2000), (ed.) by J.E. Cark and M.E. Pye,makes it clear after a discussion of the pre-Olmec civilizations of the Mokaya tradition, that these cultures contributed nothing to the rise of the Olmec culture. Pye wrote “The Mokaya appear to have gradually come under Olmec influence during Cherla times and to have adopted Olmec ways. We use the term olmecization to describe the processes whereby independent groups tried to become Olmecs, or to become like the Olmecs” (p.234). Pye makes it clear that it was around 1200 BC that Olmec civilization rose in Mesoamerica. She continues “Much of the current debate about the Olmecs concerns the traditional mother culture view. For us this is still a primary issue. Our data from the Pacific coast show that the mother culture idea is still viable in terms of cultural practices. The early Olmecs created the first civilization in Mesoamerica; they had no peers, only contemporaries” (pp.245-46). Richard A. Diehl The Olmecs:America’s first civilization (2005), wrote “ The identity of these first Olmecs remains a mystery. Some scholars believe they were Mokaya migrants from the Pacific coast of Chiapas who brought improved maize strains and incipient social stratification with them. Others propose that Olmec culture evolved among the local indigenous populations without significant external stimulus. I prefer the latter position, but freely admit that we lack sufficient information on the period before 1500 BC to resolve the issue” (p.25). Pool (17-18), in Olmec Archaeology and early MesoAmerica (2007), argues that continuity exist between the Olmec and pre-Olmec cultures in Mexico “[even]though Coe now appears to favor an autochthonous origin for Olmec culture (Diehl & Coe 1995:150), he long held that the Olmec traits appeared at San Lorenzo rather suddenly during the Chicharras phase (ca 1450-1408 BC) (Coe 1970a:25,32; Coe and Diehl 1980a:150)”. Pool admits (p.95), that “this conclusion contrasts markedly with that of the excavators of San Lorenzo, who reported dramatic change in ceramic type and argued on this basis for a foreign incursion of Olmecs into Olman (Coe and Diehl 1980a, p.150).” [b] The evidence presented by these authors make it clear that the Olmec introduced a unique culture to Mesoamerica that was adopted by the Mesoamericans. As these statements make it clear that was no continuity between pre-Olmec cultures and the Olmec culture. [/b] Prior to the Olmec the Pre-Classic cultures were founded by Blacks. Bernard you will never be able to prove that the Olmecs were not Mande speakers from Africa. [/QB][/QUOTE]As I predicted, the air is filled with spam distracting from the fact that Winters' contributions to refereed journals are in forms tat are NOT refereed. The question at hand is not their content but the lying about the ability to publish referred articles in quality refereed journals as opposed to vanity journals. We will eventually get to the misquotes represented here. Also the appropriate maxim here is "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." You are the claimant- not me. It is [b]Clyde's job to prove not just to me or his acolytes but to Olmec scholars and others that he is right.[/b] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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