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[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by ausar: [qb] Don't be such a provoking ass. Since when did all European families all have a form of MOOR as their patronymic? [IMG]http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh117/akhenamen/HISTORICAL%20CULTURES/moor2.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/1662/damesmoore.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://i47.tinypic.com/352q36e.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i45.tinypic.com/2jeeng9.jpg[/IMG] How many times have I told you download the Master of Black presence in Europe one [b]Joel Augustus Rogers[/b], his book [i]Nature Knows No Colorline[/i]. [QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by ausar: [QB] Look anyone who's not a fool needing their head bumped knows the vast overwhelming majority of Europeans ancient, medieval, renaissance, pre-industrial, etc were and are W H I T E [QUOTE]Originally posted by [b]Njii[/b]: It has been proven that many of these so called Moor Head Crests are the heads of conquered enemies that the Europeans defeated and used as trophies.[/QUOTE]Documentation to that effect please or you're no better but much worse than those you are indeed legitimately complaining against. The vast majority are of founders of European family lineages especially where the patronymic is some variation of [i]Moor[/i] which derives from Mauros (still the Greek word for a black, even nigger) in turn deriving from the name far NW Afrs called themselves as posted here on ES many and many a time over the decade. [/QUOTE]Are you claiming that Moor heads in European coats of arms and crests represent the ethnic likeness of founders of European families ? If so then were the founders of European families that have such coats of arms the Islamic conquerors of Spain going back only as far as 711 AD? [/qb][/QUOTE][/qb][/QUOTE]Don't get bent out of shape that the great God J.A. Rogers was wrong on this one. I'm "provoking" because I don't believe in one of the foremost banned dude's eccentric theories ?? You have a picture up of "Two Negro girls brought from Africa to Scotland on 1504" They were bought in Africa and then their names were changed to "More" From this sort of thing Rogers speculates that since they were named More and they were African (or some type of Euro-pitch black folk ) And since Coats of Arms in Europe have generic sometimes repeating African "Moor" heads on them that therefore white people who have the name More, Moor, Mor , Blackmore etc, must have African ancestry and these Coats of Arms must represent a Moorish ancestor or a a native black European who happens to look like a Moor, hoop earrings ???? Both scenarios are wrong and we can see how this lead to the banned guy and his cohorts, Rogers is the culprit (meanwhile what happened to their African names? "Moor" is not what they called themselves !!) Look carefully at this, four decapitated Moor heads >> [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/Creu-Alcoraz-1524-Jeronimo-Martinez-Retablo-San-Jorge.Salvador-Merce-Teruel.jpg/640px-Creu-Alcoraz-1524-Jeronimo-Martinez-Retablo-San-Jorge.Salvador-Merce-Teruel.jpg[/IMG] 1524 Jeronimo Martinez , Saint George altarpiece wikipedia Peter I receiving a shield emblazoned with the Cross of Saint George. According to legend, George appeared on the field of battle at Alcoraz. The heads of four decapitated Moors were also found on the battlefield and, when added to George's familiar emblem, the Cross of Alcoraz was created, which would later form the basis for the Sardinian coat-of-arms. [URL=http://www.ephotobay.com/share/picture-29-136.html] [IMG]http://www.ephotobay.com/image/picture-29-136.png[/IMG][/URL] _____________ [IMG]http://www.ephotobay.com/image/picture-36.png[/IMG] Coat of Arms , Alacandre, La Rioja Spain So we are now to believe that although there were these decapitated Moors as a motif when we look at other Moors heads on other Coats of Arms they were not the Muslim hordes but were in fact founders of the royal families of the Christians??? -and there is a tradition of Coats of Arms having the image of the founding member on them -and that these royal familes of white people who use the Coats of Arms don't know the names of their Moorish Islamic forefathers ??? -even though the invasion only goes back to 711 AD -but wait a minute, although we see the painting of the four decapitated Moors' head of the battle of Alcoraz being presented to Peter I and we see the Sardinian flag with the same red cross and also with four Moors heads on it but maybe, just maybe, other crowned "Moors" we see on other Coats of Arms have nothing to do with this Crusades motif maybe they are completely different native Black European kings that just look the same or maybe J.A. Rogers and the wild speculations of David MacRitchie are just wrong. He also assumes that a person with the surname "Black" or Moor or Moore or Mor, etc. must refer to a dark " "Negro" black skin tone that it could only refer to the Moors who invaded Spain ( or if that doesn't work as "Moor" is not an Umayyad or al-Murabitun surname maybe they were actually crown wearing black dwarf native Europeans ancestors of royal white people families who just happend to look like North African Moors, but were really native Black Europeans that's the back up, they were look-alikes) So why do these some of these white Europeans named Moore, Blackmore etc if not named after "Negro" Moors why do they have Coats of Arms with Moor's heads on them ?? Answer: because they thought puns like that were cool ________________________________________ Last name: Blackmore This interesting surname of Anglo-Saxon origin, with variant spellings Blackmoor, Blakemore, and Blackmore, is a locational name from any of the various places called Blackmore in Essex, Wiltshire and Worcestershire, as well as Blackmoor in Dorset, derived from the Olde English pre 7th Century elements "bloec" meaning "black, dark", plus "mor", hill. Blackmore in Hertfordshire, and Blackmoor in Hampshire, the early forms of which are "Blachmere" and "Blakemere", derive from the Olde English "bloec", plus "mere" meaning "lake". The surname dates back to the late 13th Century (see below), and further recordings include one William de Blachomore (1381) in the Feet of Fines for Norwich. Recordings from English Church Registers include the christening of Joan Blackmore on April 24th 1543, in East Hanningfield, Essex, and the marriage of John Blackmore and Elizabeth Michael on January 25th 1579, at St. Matthew's, Friday Street, London. One Richard Doddridge Blackmore (1825 - 1900) was a novelist and barrister. He was educated at Blundells school, Tiverton, and Exeter College Oxford, he received an M.A. in 1852, was called to the Bar at Middle Temple in 1852. He wrote many famous novels including "Clara Vaughan" in 1864, "Cradock Nowell" in 1866, "Lorna Doone" in 1869, and twelve others. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Richard de Blakemore, which was dated 1273, in the "Hundred Rolls of Oxfordshire", during the reign of King Edward 1, known as "The Hammer of the Scots", 1272 - 1307. Surnames became necessary when governments introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax. Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have continued to "develop" often leading to astonishing variants of the original spelling http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/blackmore#ixzz3bPhGF1 ___________________ Rogers impresses with detail but the bottom line is that if you try to write a clear explanation with his concept it just turns up silliness Again - Why are there European Coats of Arms with Moors on them and white people named "Moore" of the Europeans also called black people "Moor" ? Rogers concept> they probably had Moorish ancestry problem: that does not fit with Islamic history or European history regarding the Moorish occupation of Spain, names do not correlate to European and they are not Islamic European writing does not support it whatsoever Rogers back up proposal> the were black dwarf kings, native black Europeans and they were somehow ancestors of white Europeans. The concept is magical and child-like, completely absurd. So what happened European invaders came in but wanted to remind everybody of the great black dwarf kings that they invaded Of course this is in old European documents right ?? They have these Coats of Arms so they must have the proper accompanying explanation right? No they hide the the explanation, that must be it But yet they don't hide the Coat of Arms Benedict is showing the former rulers of Europe on his arms but he just can't talk about it Look, before all of you try to come at me first try to write one short paragraph explanation of these Coats of Arms with Moors head on them that makes sense You can't do , all you can do is talk about me > but that aint good enough and telling me to read the book aint good enough, that is not an argument, you have to make it [/QB][/QUOTE]
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