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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: [qb] Bru 'nansi Where are those crests from Rogers? I thought you or me posted all of them in the Colorline book somewhere between Es & ESR, didn't we, no? Irish & Brit Islander males surprised to find their Hg is E-M191 (E1b1a7) when they pay for popular genetic testing http://forums.familytreedna.com/showthread.php?t=34965 may find out why quick from a peek at those crests or the fact of African soldiers Rome billeted way up there so long ago. . :D [/qb][/QUOTE]In addition, Colins is somewhat in denial. Which is typical. [i]By removing the three defining markers I get 88.6%. Still not enough to convince ftdna that they are wrong so I’ll just leave it as is for the time being and accept the confirmation of E1b1a7a. In an updated wikipedia article on E1b1a it states “Outside of Africa, E1b1a has been found at low frequencies. In Eurasia, the clade has primarily been found in West Asia. [b]There have also been reported a few isolated incidents of E1b1a in Southern European populations in Malta, Spain and Portugal. There have also been isolated incidences in Austria and Germany”.[/b] I have been saying for quite sometime after conversations with Darren Marin of ftdna and the fact that genetic relatives show a “recent ancestral origin” in Germany. Mr. Marin said that our German match was from that country and had an ancient history there. He could not divulge anymore information than that due to privacy issues. [b] One family having ancient origins in Europe is the Gabbenesch family of Tyrol, Austria. Recent immigrants to the US, with a confirmed haplogroup of E1b1a8a. [/b] Researchers of this line theorize a Roman ancestor or something more ancient among the Rhaetian, an Alpine Tribe of the Raetia and the Po Valley. [/i] [...] http://shaybo-therisingtide.blogspot.com/2011/10/collins-y-dna-has-blown-holes-in.html Y-chromosomal variation: Insights into the history of Niger-Congo groups [i]Similar to E1b1a8, the highest STR variance for E1b1a7a was found in the C.A.R. Pygmies (0.49); however, the Bantu speakers from West Zambia and the Burkina Faso Gur speakers also had high STR variances (0.47 and 0.43, respectively). [...] The tMRCA estimates for haplogroups E1b1a7 and E1b1a8 were calculated by means of the ASD statistic for the major ethno-linguistic groups (Table 3). The highest tMRCA (~4,200 ya) for E1b1a7a was ascertained in the Yoruba from Nigeria, while the lowest (~2,000 ya) was in Nilo-Saharans. With regard to E1b1a8, the highest tMRCA (~ 5,000 ya) was found in Mande speakers from both Burkina Faso and Senegal, while the lowest (~3,400 ya) was in the Bantu. [...] These results suggest that this haplogroup was present for a longer time in Western Africa – which is the presumed place of origin of the defining M2 mutation (Rosa et al. 2007) – and that two of the derived mutations considered here (e.g. M191 and U174) did not occur in the ancestors of the Mande; the low frequencies of E1b1a7a found in these groups could be due to later admixture. [...] Furthermore, for other studies reporting high frequencies of M191 in Bantu speaking groups, we suggest that those individuals are likely to harbor the derived mutation U174 (see for example Appendix A in Wood et al. 2005). This is confirmed by the results of the LDA for the Ugandan dataset, where all individuals that had been genotyped as E1b1a7 were inferred to belong to E1b1a7a.[/i] Etc... http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2010/11/25/molbev.msq312.abstract http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php/34266-E1b1a7a It's unusual to use wiki, for strategically it's beneficial. [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/Iron_Age_Italy.png[/IMG] http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raeti [IMG]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Oc16HCBDkBg/SeuBOcPCOqI/AAAAAAAABlc/pfNMUogByWE/s400/po.JPG[/IMG] http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Po_Valley What remains now is to follow the crumbs. [i]first image definitely showing a moor is an illumination from 1316 in the so-called Prädialbuch. So sometime between 1286 and 1316 the crowned head became a crowned moor's head. Since then the crowned moor's head is considered the arms of the bishop of Freising and of his territory, the Hochstift. The Hochstift contained widespread territories in Bavaria (e.g. Garmisch-Partenkirchen, Wörth), but also in Slovenia (Skofja Loka) and South Tyrol (Innichen). Many of the cities and municipalities formerly belonging to the Hochstift contain the moor's head in their coat-of-arms. See for instance my pages about the Wörth arms and its historical sources.[/i] http://celticowboy.com/Moors%20Head.htm [IMG]http://celticowboy.com/Die%20Moren%20Ger%20Wappen.JPG[/IMG] http://celticowboy.com/appiiia.htm [/QB][/QUOTE]
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