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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: [IMG]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/id5121321d.jpg[/IMG] A Moor from the The Domesday Book of Norman era England note he appears to be Christian and settled among them to be included in their taxed on arable land. No burning desire just showing what was,that Moors were among Christians and they formed families among them that became part of the fabric of Europe, when those arms were being made the local Blacks added theirs just like the rest of the populous nothing more nothing less that some of these Blacks and their descendants where wealthy and powerful is also a fact. [/qb][/QUOTE]It's not from the Norman era ( 1066 – 1154) nor does it attribute a name to the person [IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-12S_Jio75rM/UoOCsZN-68I/AAAAAAABa3A/vU-u0TDws4Q/s400/Domes.jpg[/IMG] Illuminated capital letter ‘I’ taken from the Domesday Abbreviatio entry for Derbyshire, possibly c.1241; ^^^ It's a decoration on the letter "I" which starts the text http://veronese1515.blogspot.com/2013/11/why-blackman-in-1241-domesday-abbreviato.html the National Archive gives a useful description of the Document – Domesday Abbreviato 1241 - as well as stating the National Archive’s view on the presence of the black man: [i]The document itself is an abridgement of Domesday Book, possibly produced for use in the Exchequer in the mid-13th century. It has numerous illuminations and illustrations. Some of these are drawings of historical events, some are portraits of the main landholders in a particular county, but most are purely decorative illustrations used to mark the beginning of a new county section. The image of the black man falls into the latter category: it appears at the beginning of the section describing William the Conqueror's holdings in Derbyshire and its previous Anglo-Saxon tenants, [b]and we can be quite certain that no one mentioned on that folio was African We cannot even confidently infer that the scribe had seen a black man in person: many of the other illustrations are of long-dead historical figures or mythical animals, which the scribe clearly can never have seen.[/b] Therefore all we can confidently infer is that he had either seen a black person, heard a description of one, or seen a depiction of one in another source. Further, we can assume that he thought it would be an interesting and attractive addition to the manuscript. [/i] ____________________________ 1) Either you can prove that Europeans put depictions of their family members on their coats of arms or you cannot 2) Either you can prove that a Moor's head in a coat of arms is specified as a specific person or you cannot The idea that all of those Moors head in the the European coats of arms represent members of the family is unfounded and you have no understanding of heraldic symbolism [/QB][/QUOTE][IMG]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_80_mQ_O_cA/UoOCsVUh9wI/AAAAAAABa3M/MOMJOrPLC4w/s1600/Domes2.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE] n contrast Onyeka is more upbeat: There are …images of Africans that show Tudor society did not inherit from its medieval past, an idea that [black Africans] were automatically inferior. Some of these image show Africans were familiar to people in mediaeval England and other representations’ imply they had a useful role in society. One of these representations is of an African in the Abbreviatio Domesday (1241) and its important because in a similar way to some Tudor images, the African is not displayed as fantastic or strange [/QUOTE][URL=http://veronese1515.blogspot.jp/2013/11/why-blackman-in-1241-domesday-abbreviato.html]web page[/URL] In other words Blacks were not unknown to Europeans living among them outside the Islamic context. And Family named Moor or Blackmore with crest of said blacks points to origins and familiy connections what's so difficult to understand about that. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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