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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Habsburg: ^^ Lioness can you enlighten me on this observation I find so baffling. If the Moors were more the lighter complexioned Berbers and Arabs then why don't images of the Moors on heraldic symbols feature lighter brown complexioned 'Arabs' and 'Berbers', rather than the jet black complexioned thick lipped wide nosed Africans like trio of football Uber Moors. It doesn't matter whether the battles were fought in Andalusia, Morocco, or in Jerusalem. The symbolism always displays the so labelled [b]Bantu type Negroes[/b]. These heraldic symbols are supposed display supposed victories over people who are not supposed to be in the parts of the world these battles were fought. So why display them as symbols of their victories, implying that they were the people they fought against? [/QUOTE]It's a good question with complicated answers. The invasion of Spain was directed by the The Umayyad Caliphate. the Umayyad regime was founded by Muawiya ibn Abi Sufyan, long-time governor of Syria, after the end of the First Muslim Civil War in 661 C. Syria remained the Umayyads' main power base thereafter, and Damascus was their capital. By 642, the Arabs controlled Mesopotamia, Egypt and Syria, had invaded Armenia, and were concluding their conquest of the Persian Empire with their defeat of the Persian army at the Battle of Nihawānd (Nehawand). It was at this point that Arab military expeditions into North African regions west of Egypt were first launched, In 670 AD, the first Islamic conquest of the North African coastal plain took place under Uqba ibn Nafi, a general serving under the Umayyads of Damascus. The Umayyad Muslims brought their language, their system of government, and Islam to Morocco. Many of the Berbers slowly converted to Islam, mostly after Arab rule had receded. The Umayyad conquest of Spain (Hispania) is the initial expansion of the Umayyad Caliphate over Hispania largely extending from 711 to 788. The conquest resulted in the destruction of the Visigothic Kingdom. Forces commanded by Tariq ibn Ziyad disembarked in early 711 at Gibraltar at the head of an army consisting of Berber Northwest Africans and Arabs. Most medieval historians give little or no information about Tariq's origins or nationality. Most historians, Arab and Spanish, seem to agree that he was a slave of the emir of Ifriqiya (North Africa), Musa bin Nusayr, who gave him his freedom and appointed him a general in his army. But his descendants centuries later denied he had ever been a slave. The period of the Córdoba Caliphate is seen as the golden age of Al-Andalus. The berbers on average today are about half African half Eurasian, one could argue slightly more African in many cases, others more Eurasian. But that is an average. The berbers far ranging nomadic culture includes a wide range of ethnic types some that look like dark Africans others yellowish mulatto types. In Mauritania they even refer there to "white moors" and "black moors" The Almoravids (Al-Murābiṭūn) were a Berber dynasty of Morocco, who formed an empire in the 11th century that stretched over the western Maghreb and Al-Andalus. Founded by Abdallah ibn Yasin, their capital was Marrakesh, a city they founded in 1062. The dynasty originated among the Lamtuna and the Gudala, nomadic Berber tribes of the Sahara, traversing the territory between the Draa, the Niger, and the Senegal rivers. From the year 1053, the Almoravids began to spread their religious way to the Berber areas of the Sahara, and to the regions south of the desert. So they extended their territory further south nearing West Africa and perhaps infusing an additional influx of darker skinned people into the culture. In 1086 Yusuf ibn Tashfin was invited by the Muslim taifa princes of Al-Andalus in the Iberian Peninsula to defend their territories from the encroachment of Alfonso VI, King of León and Castile. In that year, Yusuf ibn Tashfin crossed the Strait of Gibraltar to Algeciras, and defeated Castile at the Battle of az-Zallaqah (Battle of Sagrajas). He returned to Iberia in 1090, avowedly for the purpose of annexing the taifa principalities of Iberia. He was supported by most of the Iberian people, who were discontented with the heavy taxation imposed upon them by their spendthrift rulers. [IMG]http://www.ephotobay.com/image/picture-29-136.png[/IMG] ^^^ Here is the Sardinian coat of arms, notice the features on some heads, not particularly bantu [IMG]https://i0.wp.com/www.taneter.org/at%20Freising%20castle.jpg[/IMG] Freising The home town of Pope Benedict Not particularly bantu looking [IMG]http://i55.tinypic.com/2w55078.jpg[/IMG] Again Not particualrly bantu looking (but pitch black yes) [IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HxRjlo-ni5s/TEuAzxFz50I/AAAAAAAAADQ/ymtCP-EeOGo/s1600/SantiagoMatamoros.jpg[/IMG] St, james the Moor slayer, Santiago Matamoros. Here we have a mulatto looking Moor (also see the modern flag of Aragon) But yes here is your bantu type and there are many >> [IMG]https://i2.wp.com/www.taneter.org/Egyptian%20St.%20Mauritius%20of%20Coburg%20285AD.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i2.wp.com/www.taneter.org/coburgmoorgate.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i0.wp.com/www.taneter.org/coburgmoor.jpg[/IMG] Coburg, Germany the town’s history tells that this was the catholic church’s patron saint from Thebes (Luxor), St. Maurice. Therefore, according to both the town’s history and the Catholic church, for which he is a patron saint, Maurice Yet depicted here with the hoop earrings Nubian looking rather than an Egyptian according to most comparisons to Egyptian art where both Egyptians and Nubians are depicted As we can the European term "Moor" has many interpretations an inconsistent usage in European history. In some instances it means any Muslim who lived in North Africa including "tawny moors" and "blackamoors" from Arabs to berbers (and the various skin color ethnicities included in these groups) So in the earlier period this is related to the reconquista where the Christians finally overtook the Muslims However this overlaps with the St. Maurice tradition and the "balckamoor" and later motifs in European painting with more bantu types being called "Moor" The term is applied loosely. At times it meant "any African" or an "Ethiopian" The Europeans know who their founders were. It was not these namless Africans. They used these black heads in their heraldry as mascot sort of symbols. They are not to be taken as accurate depictions of ethnic groups or founders of families. They are heraldic symbols like mermaids, angels and unicorn, later as "blackamoor decor" ( and it disgusts me) [IMG]http://www.decorartsnow.com/decorartsnow/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/italian-blackamoors.jpg[/IMG] BLACKAMOOR): A dark skinned figure, typically African, used in jewelry, sculpture, armor and decorative arts. Blackamoors have a long history stretching back to the 17th century. They are often portrayed in pairs. Andrea Brustolon (1662–1732) was the most famous sculptor of blackamoors. Often they are shown in positions that a real person could not hold at length. The bottom line is that none of these objects were created by Africans so they do not come out of an African or if you prefer 'black' perspective [/qb][/QUOTE]You posted that **** from Wikipedia, your favorite source. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliphate_of_Damascus http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Almoravid_dynasty You are a silly pathetic and racist individual. You try so hard. LOL But you're getting nowhere. And you have been debunking yourself once again. SMH [QUOTE]ZENAGA (SANHAJA, SENAJER), a Berber tribe of southern Morocco who gave their name to Senegal, once their tribal home. They formed one of the tribes which, uniting under the leadership of Yusef bin Tashfin, crossed the Sahara and gave a dynasty to Morocco and Spain, namely, that of the Almoravides (q.v.). The Zeirid dynasty which supplanted the Fatimites in the Maghrib and founded the city of Algiers was also of Zenaga origin. The Zenaga dialect of Berber is spoken in southern Morocco and on the banks of the lower Senegal, largely by the negro population. [/QUOTE]--Originally appearing in Volume V28, Page 967 of the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica. http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/YAK_ZYM/ZENAGA_SANHAJA_SENAJER_.html#ixzz3bwEgpvbW A Thousand Years Ago In Mauritania - Kamal El Mekki https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhtYZPSdJRg [/QB][/QUOTE]
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