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T O P I C     R E V I E W
the lioness,
Member # 17353
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quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor:
Origin of “Jewish” clusters
of E1b1b1 (M35) haplogroup


http://rjgg.molgen.org/index.php/RJGG/article/download/47/58


 
Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor
Member # 18264
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The question is how did it get there?


Also, I've noteced....their claims:

According to Haplozone E3b Project [4], it is known that there are four subclades of E1b1b1* haplogroup (M35), within which, among others, there are several «Jewish» clusters: E1b1b1* (unclassified), E1b1b1a3* (V22), E1b1b1c1* (M34) and E1b1b1c1a* (M84).


Subclade E1b1b1a3* (V22) originated about 5100 years ago in Egypt. Later, its representatives settled in different countries, including Palestine, where V22 is found among the Palestinian Arabs and Samaritans [6, 7].


The irony, is that they never ever mention African populations..., once?


However:


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quote:

E-M78 subclades

The distribution of E-M78 subclades among Sudanese is shown in Table 2. Only two chromosomes fell under the paragroup E-M78*. E-V65 and E-V13 were com- pletely absent in the samples analyzed, whereas the other subclades were relatively common. E-V12* accounts for 19.3% and is widely distributed among Su- danese. E-V32 (51.8%) is by far the most common sub- clades among Sudanese. It has the highest frequency among populations of western Sudan and Beja. E-V22 accounts for 27.2% and its highest frequency appears to be among Fulani, but it is also common in Nilo-Saharan speaking groups.

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The Fulani, who possess the lowest population size in this study, have an interesting genetic structure, effectively consisting of two haplogroups or founding lineages. One of the lineages is R-M173 (53.8%), and its sheer frequency suggests either a recent migration of this group to Africa and/or a restricted gene flow due to linguistic or cultural barriers. The high frequency of sub-clade E-V22, which is believed to be northeast African (Cruciani et al., 2007) and haplogroup R-M173, suggests an amalgamation of two populations/cultures that took place sometime in the past in eastern or central Africa. This is also evident from the frequency of the ‘‘T’’ allele of the lactase persistence gene that is uniquely present in considerable frequencies among the Fulani (Mulcare et al., 2004). Interestingly, Fulani language is classified in the Niger-Congo family of languages, which is more prevalent in West Africa and among Bantu speakers, yet their Y-chromosomes show very little evidence of West African genetic affiliation.

It seems, however, that the effective size of the pastorlists and nomadic pastoralists is generally much smaller than groups of sedentary agriculturalists life style. This is intriguing in the sense that one would expect nomadic tribes to be more able to admix, spread, and receive genes than their sedentary counterparts.




--Hisham Y. Hassan, Peter A. Underhill, Luca L. Cavalli-Sforza, and Muntaser E. Ibrahim

Y-Chromosome Variation Among Sudanese: Restricted Gene Flow, Concordance With Language, Geography, and History
 
Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor
Member # 18264
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cont.:

quote:

Y-chromosome haplogroup tree

The Y-chromosome haplogroup tree has been constructed manually following YCC 2008 nomenclature20 with some modifications.35 The tree (Supplementary Figure S1) contains the E haplogroups of Eritrean populations from this study and those reported in the literature.22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34 Genotyping results for E-V13, E-V12, E-V22 and E-V32 reported for Eritrean samples and elsewhere23, 27 were retracted to E-M78 haplogroup level. All the analyses in this study were done at the same resolution using the following 17 bi-allelic markers: E-M96, E-M33, E-P2, E-M2, E-M58, E-M191, E-M154, E-M329, E-M215, E-M35, E-M78, E-M81, E-M123, E-M34, E-V6, E-V16/E-M281 and E-M75.

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  • Median-joining (MJ) network. Network manipulated to fit the geography of the extant populations. MJ network was constructed using E haplogroup frequencies. Group represented by ITAL contains all the Italian samples pooled. Populations’ descriptions are given in Supplementary Table S1.



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  • NJ tree based on FST values generated from Arlequin 3.11. Population names are as given in Supplementary Table S1. Population life style: circle – agriculturalists; square – pastoralists; triangle – nomads; inverted triangle – nomadic pastoralists; diamond – agro-pastoralists. The populations are colored according to their language family: red – Afro-asiatic; blue – Nilo-Saharan; green – Niger-Kordofanian; yellow – Khoisan; black – Italic and Basque.

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Interestingly, this ancestral cluster includes populations like Fulani who has previously shown to display Eastern African ancestry, common history with the Hausa who are the furthest Afro-Asiatic speakers to the west in the Sahel, with a large effective size and complex genetic background.23 The Fulani who currently speak a language classified as Niger-Kordofanian may have lost their original tongue to as sociated sedentary group similar to other cattle herders in Africa a common tendency among pastoralists. Clearly cultural trends exemplified by populations, like Hausa or Massalit, the latter who have neither strong tradition in agriculture nor animal husbandry, were established subsequent to the initial differentiation of haplogroup E. For example, the early clusters within the network also include Nilo-Saharan speakers like Kunama of Eritrea and Nilotic of Sudan who are ardent nomadic pastoralists but speak a language of non-Afro-Asiatic background the predominant linguistic family within the macrohaplogroup.

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The Sahel, which extends between the Atlantic coast of Africa and the Red Sea plateau, represents one of the least sampled areas and populations in the domain of human genetics. The position of Eritrea adjacent to the Red Sea coast provides opportunities for insights regarding human migrations within and beyond the African landscape.


--Eyoab I Gebremeskel1,2 and Muntaser E Ibrahim1

European Journal of Human Genetics (2014) 22, 1387–1392; doi:10.1038/ejhg.2014.41; published online 26 March 2014

Y-chromosome E haplogroups: their distribution and implication to the origin of Afro-Asiatic languages and pastoralism EJHGOpen
 
ausar
Member # 1797
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Well according to the 1st episode of Blackish,
Jews have bar misswah (mitzvah) celebrations
and Blackish have hip-hop Bro Mitzvah parties.
So, no, Jews aren't Blackish they are Jewish.
 
Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor
Member # 18264
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quote:
Originally posted by ausar:
Well according to the 1st episode of Blackish,
Jews have bar misswah (mitzvah) celebrations
and Blackish have hip-hop Bro Mitzvah parties.
So, no, Jews aren't Blackish they are Jewish.

But, who are the Blackish? And what is a Bro Mitzvah party?
 
Tukuler
Member # 19944
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You have to watch the pilot
episode of ABC's Blackish.

To me the hip-hop bro mitzvah
thing is insulting as the show
had aperfect oppurtunity to
either acknowledge AfrAm Jews
or hi-lite actual coming of
age ceremmonies some Black
Americans have developed.

But since the show's star or
writer or somebody actual did
the HHBM when he was a kid
how much can I really say
against it.


I think Blackish is a term
of ID like English, Spanish,
or Jewish, but the TV show
only applies it to upper
class BAs.
 
Brada-Anansi
Member # 16371
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Eleazar of Worms and Joel ben Simeon Feibush; Haggadah for Passover Germany 1460
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klik link for higher resolution.
 



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