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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl: [qb] 2) [b]x[/b] in Maya is pronounced /sh/ but [b]s[/b] in Mande is pronounced as in “saw” /s/. In linguistics you compare identical sounds. [/qb][/QUOTE]The Mande /s/ agrees with the Mayan /x/. There are other examples of this analogy besides Xi and Si. It is also interesting to note that many Quiche words beginning with /x/ which is pronounced 'sh', correspond to words borrowed from Malinke-Bambara by Mayan speakers, with an initial /s/ e.g., [list] [*]Quiche Malinke-Bambara xab' rain…………… sa ixa? seed …………..si uxe root…………….. sulu, suru [/list] This is regular sound correspondence. . . [/qb][/QUOTE]Only in your imagination. You get there by complete disregard of the rules of Maya and Mande. Glottal stops are essential in Maya as Many of us have told you innumerable times. Also nasal vowels in Mande cannot be ignored because they change meaning of the words. After a truly Herculean effort at Cherry picking cannot save you as any one can see by comparing the true words in K'i7che7 which I reference and you don't. http://www.famsi.org/mayawriting/dictionary/christenson/quidic_complete.pdf K’ICHE’ - ENGLISH DICTIONARY and GUIDE TO PRONUNCIATION OF THE K’ICHE’-MAYA ALPHABET Allen J. Christenson Brigham Young University b' Similar to the English b, but pronounced with the throat closed while air is forcefully expelled to produce a glottal stop k' Pronounced with the tongue in the same position as for the k, but the throat is closed and air forcefully expelled to produce a glottalized k. q' Pronounced with the tongue in the same position as for the q, but the throat is closed and air forcefully expelled to produce a glottalized q. http://www.taterenner.com/engkiche.pdf [QUOTE]ENGLISH-K'ICHE' DICTIONARY A reversal of the K'iche'-English Dictionary by Allen J. Christenson Bringham Young Univeristy available at: {URL]http://www.famsi.org/mayawriting/dictionary/christenson/quidic_complete.pdf[/URL] p.155 Christenson's dictionary contains a pronunciation guide. As the K'iche' language has 32 letters, it uses a number of sounds that are unfamiliar to Engish speakers. In particular, novices should be aware that letters followed by a tz'ut (written as an apostrophe) are different than letters without one. [b]So ch and ch' are different letters of the alphabet. Words with "tz'ut" letters may have no relation to the same word written without the tz'ut. For example, corn, soaked corn kernels (n) tzi and nixtamal (n) tzi are unrelated to: dog (n) tz’i’ The writer is unaware if either is related to: disobedient (child) (adj) tz’i’ In any event, vegetarians may want to be especially careful about their pronunciation before ordering tzi.[/b][/QUOTE]Similarly in Mande [b]a, e.i.o.u[/b] and [b]ã.ë.ï.õ.ü.[/b] (I don’t have lines for all the vowels) are different vowels and words will have different meanings. I’ll note these by vowel-ng;To remind for the millionth time that glottal stops are consonants and must not ignored I’l use the common linguistic symbol (7) K’iche’- English (Cristianson) rain jaab root k7amal seed baq7 Mande- English Delafosse 1953 sa (603 death, end sa (605) serpent sa (605) weeding scratching but not valid because it’s a nasal vowel (cherry picking) sang (607 ) sky, upper atmosphere, rain, clouds si (648) old, passing the night, but not valid because it is a nasal vowel (cherry picking) sing (651) seed, race, lineage, species, family sulu (699) hen house sulu (70) root How do choose (cherry Picking) Delafosse 1929 French to Mande grain (489) [b]sing[/b] =a particle, grain (not valid it is a nasal vowel) graine (480) [b]foli;;sing;;lang;dang;;kise[/b] pluie (577) [b]sang[/b] not valid it is a nasal vowel—as above [b]sa[/b] has different meanings (cherry picking) racine (595) [b]lili, dili, sulu, gyu, dyu[/b] as above sulu has different meanings (cherry picking) [URLhttp://www.famsi.org/mayawriting/dictionary/christenson/quidic_complete.pdf[/URL] K’ICHE’ - ENGLISH DICTIONARY and GUIDE TO PRONUNCIATION OF THE K’ICHE’-MAYA ALPHABET Allen J. Christenson Brigham Young University Delafosse, Maurice. 1929. La Langue Mandingue et ses Dialectes (Malinke, Bambara, Dioula) Vol 1. Intro. Grammaire, Lexique Francais-Mandingue). Paris: Librarie Orientaliste Paul Geuthner. Delafosse, Maurice. 1955. La Langue Mandingue et ses Dialectes (Malinke, Bambara, Dioula). Vol 2. Dictionnaire Mandingue-Francaise. Paris: Librarie Paul Geuthner [/QB][/QUOTE]
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