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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters: [qb] [ What you wrote does not change the fact that regular correspondence exist between Mayan /x/ and Mande /s/. [/qb][/QUOTE]You can dance, you can spin but /sh/ is NOT /s/. Look below [QUOTE] [qb]The Quichean terms compared below come from [b]Campbell,Lyle (1977), Quichean linguistic prehistory [/b],Berkeley : University of California Press.University of California publications in linguistics. v. 81 As noted earlier the Quiche/KICHE words beginning with /x/ correspond to words borrowed from Malinke-Bambara by Mayan speakers, with an initial /s/ e.g., [list] [*]Quiche Malinke-Bambara xab' rain sa ixa? seed ..si uxe root .. sulu, suru [/list] This confirms the connection between Mayan /x/ and Mande /s/. Other loan words in Quiche from Malinke-Bambara include: [list] [*]Quiche Malinke-Bambara saq'e daytime,sunlight sa 'heaven, sky' k'i many .. kika ja lineage, family . ga, gba ja water .. ji q'aq fire ga-ndi palo lake, sea .. ba, b'la k'oto to carve, cut ka k':um squash kula, kura Ba father . fa Ba lord .Ba 'great' (Person) ka 'land,earth' ka 'suffix joined to names of lands,etc. naal parent, .. mother na cah earth, .. land ka (see above) balam jaguar/tiger . balan 'leopard worship' xuku? Boat , canoe kulu k'o:x mask . ku The loan words in Quiche from Malinke-Bambara show the following patterns a------->a c------->s o------->u c------->k u------->a z------->s x ---------s k------->k x--------- k p------->f q------->k ch------>k [/list] . [/qb][/QUOTE]There is no correspondence in your "proof" In the following table the sequence is :English, Christianson Ki7che7, Winters Ki7che7, Winters Mande, Delafosse Mande. 7 represents the CRUCIAL CONSONANT in Maya languages. I finally found out where Winters claims to get his Ki7che7 words. I have ordered the book and will be able to check them. Given his track record with Delafosse it will be interesting. English K7iche7 Winters Winters Delafosse rain jaab xab7 sa sang root k7amal sulu sulu lili,dili,sulu seed baq7 ixa? si foli,sing,kise Even using Winterss methodology of excluding vowels there is little to no correspondence. X in Maya is /sh/ shb .. . . . . s no match sl . . . .. sl sh . . . . . s no match s in Mande like saw /s/ Using Winters methodology with the real Ki7che7 is worse not even close jb . . . . . . s no match, where are /s/,/j/ or /b/ ? kml . . . . . sl no match, where are /k/,/m/, /l/ ? bq. . . . . . s no match, where are /b/, /q/ ? by not ignoring the consonant glottal stop the correspondence? is a farce and by using Delafosses dictionary definition using the word correspondence is ridiculous. jb. . . . . . sg k7ml . . . . ll,dl,sl bq7 .. . . fl,sg,ks Thus this little game Winters has been playing discovering patterns is just a way of trying to say his cherry picking has general applicability without ever showing a number of examples of this pattern. Further , he is violating his rules by showing patters of vowel shift, his method depends on completely ignoring vowels in wordseven when as in here in Maya long vowels have different meaning and in Mande nasal vowels are different meanings from regular vowels. More to come in your other ki7che7 examples. Christiansons Ki7che7 dictionary [url] http://www.famsi.org/mayawriting/dictionary/christenson/quidic_complete.pdf[/URL] Delafosse, Maurice. 1929. La Langue Mandingue et ses Dialectes (Malinke, Bambara, Dioula) Vol 1. Intro. Grammaire, Lexique Francais-Mandingue). Paris: Librarie Orientaliste Paul Geuthner. Delafosse, Maurice. 1955. La Langue Mandingue et ses Dialectes (Malinke, Bambara, Dioula). Vol 2. Dictionnaire Mandingue-Francaise. Paris: Librarie Paul Geuthner [/qb][/QUOTE][IMG]https://www.newpaltz.edu/linguistics/main_image.jpg[/IMG] LOL. Finding regular phonemic correspondence between and within consonants, and shared terms is comparative linguistics.We look at consonants because they are often more stable than vowels. . [/qb][/QUOTE]irrelevant spam evading the main point -- that even using your method and ignoring vowels there is no correspondence between your consonants, i.e. shb .. . . . . s no match sl . . . .. sl sh . . . . . s no match s in Mande like saw /s/ its even worse if we use accurate Mande and ki7che7 words [/QB][/QUOTE]
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