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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by africurious: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] Quetzalcoatl, consider this 1) nobody is reading this thread 2) you will never convince Clyde of anything Just write an article called "Debunking Van Sertima and Clyde Winters on the Olmecs and other matters" and move on then stop wasting energy on this and move on, it's looking pathetic, the repetition on this year after year going nowhere [/qb][/QUOTE]Done Van Sertima: https://www.academia.edu/199927/Robbing_Native_American_Cultures_Van_Sertimas_Afrocentricity_and_the_Olmecs The problem with Winters is finding a journal to publish in-- I don't do the kind of unreviewed journals Winters does. Van Sertima had achieved some influence in schools and thus serious journals considered it worthwhile to publish an article critiquing his work. I would have trouble convincing peer reviewed journals that Clyde's work is worth some of their limited space. I do this for fun and because every year or so a new crop of innocent newbys fall for the never changing Winters's fantasy. [/qb][/QUOTE]Winters is a charlatan and has no professional credentials in history, archaeology or linguistics. The article you posted has some good points critiquing claims of african influence on early mesoamericans. But, the article also has polemics and misleading information about "afrocentrics". It is another in a long list of writings using the "afrocentric" boogieman and strawman argumentative fallacy to buttress its position. The article apparently blames "afrocentrics" as the originators and sole believers in african influence on early mesoamerica when the article itself notes that such argument was put forth a hundred years ago by a white scholar who was assuredly no afrocentrist. Article also tries to cast "afrocentrists" as people who claim almost every early civilization to be "black" and even implies that ancient egypt is not linked to "sub-saharan" africans by dna nor linguistics. You won't convince the people you are aiming to convince with such nonsense about ancient egypt which is refuted by mainstream scholarship nor by ignoring the fact that since the 18th century european and american scholarship has denied/downplayed the role of people who would be characterized as nothing but black. Saying the olmecs were black based on the heads isn't the sole province of those who the article claims are being black nationalists. Even many mexicans will say the heads represent black people as I've seen on videos and in person witnessed a mexican museum guide say while I was in mexico. Said mexican guide then went on to show our group a sculpture of a man with a beard, said beards cannot be grown on native mexicans and noted how said man looked asian and that it seems many people from all over the world came to mexico. So this habit of assigning racial origin to mesoamerican portrayals of people is independent and predates what the article purports is "afrocentrism". Such racial assignments based on artefacts is wrong but one can point this out without laying false blame on "afrocentrics", strawman arguments against afrocentric boogiemen, and misleading info about the african nature of ancient egypt. [/qb][/QUOTE]You wish I was a charlatan and had no professional credentials. If this was true I would not have taught Linguistics at Saint Xavier University-Chicago or made numerous presentations at Professional Conferences. I made many presentations on the Olmecs at Anthrpological Conferences in which members of tha Academe attended. I made these presentations because back in the 1990's some laymen and other detractors attacking my work accussed me of not presenting my work before the academic community. I have made presentation at international and national anthropological meetings, before my "peers" including AAA. For example Linda Schele attended my 1997 Olmec presentation. [IMG]http://olmec98.net/aaa991.GIF[/IMG] [IMG]http://olmec98.net/aaa992.GIF[/IMG] Friday, April 16th ... in Highland Chiapas. 9:30. Clyde Winters (Loyola U - Chicago) Olmec Symbolism in the Mayan Writing. 9:50. Nestor Quiroa (U Illinois ... [URL=http://www.aaanet.org/csas/mtg99/program/pfri.html]www.aaanet.org/csas/mtg99/program/pfri.html[/URL] - 47k - Cached - Similar pages Saturday, April 17th ... 11:15. Samuel Cooper (Bar Ilan U) The Classification of Biblical Sacrifice. 11:35. Clyde Winters (Loyola U - Chicago) Harappan Origins of Yogi. 11:55. ... [URL=http://www.aaanet.org/csas/mtg99/program/psat.html]www.aaanet.org/csas/mtg99/program/psat.html[/URL] - 50k - Cached - Similar pages preliminary program csas98 ... Mexican Villages. 4:10 Clyde A. Winters (Uthman dan Fodio I) Jaguar Kings: Olmec Royalty and Religious Leaders in the First Person. 4:30 ... [URL=http://www.aaanet.org/csas/mtg98/Prelimp5.htm]www.aaanet.org/csas/mtg98/Prelimp5.htm[/URL] - 39k - Cached - Similar pages Thursday April, 3 - Early Afternoon ... Russia [1413]. 2:30 pm - Clyde A. Winters (Uthman dan Fodio Institute) - The Decipherment of Olmec Writing [1414]. 2:50 pm - James ... [URL=http://www.aaanet.org/csas/mtg97/final.htm]www.aaanet.org/csas/mtg97/final.htm[/URL] - 36k - Cached - Similar pages You can see my 1997 Lecture on the Decipherment of the Olmec script on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6TuODS64AY&feature=em-upload_owner [IMG]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41kd08JYr-L._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg[/IMG] . [/QB][/QUOTE]
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