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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Akachi: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M:Sickle cell is not DNA. Surely you aren't claiming that the DNA of people in New Guinea is the same as the DNA of people in Africa.[/QUOTE]That is a BLOOD LINEAGE... However you want to slice it that is directly tied to a core origin with Niger-Congo speakers now in West, South and Central Africa. This common blood lineage is proof that the relationship between Africans and Southeast Asians is not superficial. Once again this BLOOD LINEAGE is only passed from parent to offspring..., and not some sporadic "tropical" phenomena. Coupled with the fact that these people state that they actually came from Africa it's indisputable proof of a more recent expansion of those particular Africoid types. I link those sickle cell-maria carrying people in Southeast Asia-South Pacific to a recent expansion from the Nile Valley rather than the more ancient ones. The facts that the ancient Kemetic presence has been proven to have existed in the South Pacific and Australia. [i]"Ancient Egyptians In [URL=http://www.ancienthuna.com/uli.htm]Hawaii[/URL] Most people tend to think of the ancient Egyptians as stay-at-homes who were too busy building pyramids to explore far lands. But many artifacts from the South Pacific and even Hawaii hint that they were otherwise. Some Hawaiian rock carvings include well-known Egyptian motifs and even a few hieroglyphics. The three main sites are: (1) the great boulders at Luahiwa, Lanai; (2) the old landing at Anaehoomalu; and (3) at Kii, Kauai. The evidence for an Egyptian presence is even stronger in New Guinea, where the Egyptians may have had a gold-mining colony. Other ancient cultures also frequented New Guinea, where Sumerian beads and bronze weapons have been found by Australian archeologists. Further, there seems to have been a thriving market in the Middle East for bird-of-paradise skins, which could only have come from New Guinea. (Knudsen, Ruth; "Egyptian Signs in the Hawaiian Islands," Epigraphic Society, Occasional Publications, 12:190, 1984.)"[/i] The basis that I have for sickle cell being a link between ancient Kemet and those populations of Asia and the South Pacific is. " [b]We conducted a molecular investigation of the presence of sicklemia in six predynastic Egyptian mummies (about 3200 BC) from the Anthropological and Ethnographic Museum of Turin[/b]. Previous studies of these remains showed the presence of [b]severe anemia[/b], while histological preparations of mummified tissues revealed hemolytic disorders." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11148985 [QUOTE]The problem you have is that the environment determines phenotype.[/QUOTE]I've frequently heard some people attempt to explain the robust features of "Niger-Congo" speakers as being the result of humidity in the tropics. [IMG]http://oi60.tinypic.com/j7gs60.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://oi58.tinypic.com/24w9btg.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Distribution_of_haplogroup_e1b1a_in_Rosa_2007.jpg[/IMG] The problem with that nonsense is that we have only been in the tropics of Africa as a whole since the 6th century B.C.E. Prior to this period we lived in Northern Africa along side those narrow nose Ethiopic populations and Nilotes. The robust "true Negroid" phenotype was reported to exist and at the singular largest segment at over [URL=http://oi58.tinypic.com/2ik5yea.jpg]1/3[/URL] of the population despite being in a dry desert environment (for over [URL=http://i63.tinypic.com/2qwmn9k.jpg]30,000[/URL] years) [/qb][/QUOTE]"the tropics" is an environmental phenomenon centered around the equator and the "tropic of Cancer". Humans originated in a tropical environment. [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/World_map_indicating_tropics_and_subtropics.png/1024px-World_map_indicating_tropics_and_subtropics.png[/IMG] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropics [QUOTE]Originally posted by Akachi:[qb] I believe that this is a sinister plot (by Caucasians) to explain away that recent African expansion which was in fact centered throughout the World's tropical belt. The belt extends from Africa (the Nile Valley originally) to the Americas and into southern Asia. Remnants of that population expansion today are along that belt as indicated by the sickle cell haplotype. [IMG]http://oi59.tinypic.com/2yxlocm.jpg[/IMG] In Southeast Asia there is a blatant denial of the African relationship by Caucasians. In the face of being pheno-culturally identical and even having traditions verifying a recent expansion from Africa there is a persistent effort by Caucasians to disconnect these melaninated populations. [/qb][/QUOTE]Whatever conspiracy you believe these Caucasians have, how on earth do you claim that all black folks in South Asia who live in tropical environments are the result of "recent" African migrations? These people have been there since the first out of Africa migrations to Asia. And of course they live in tropical environments and therefore this is why they still retain their "tropically adapted" phenotype similar to the first Out of Africa migrants. There is no coincidence that many of these populations you are referring to are smack dab in the middle of the tropical zone: [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Koppen_World_Map_Af_Am_Aw.png/800px-Koppen_World_Map_Af_Am_Aw.png[/IMG] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Akachi:[qb] The case in central America-Mexico is being picked apart daily by the conscious community on social media. That was the Olmec region which was originally settled by Nile Valley Africans and remained a hub for Africans to this day. Caucasians have attempted to use an inflated transatlantic enslavement of SOME Africans as a way to explain the heavy presence of Africans through regions of the Americas. [/qb][/QUOTE]OK. So lets leave the conspiracy theories aside then. Where is the DNA evidence showing how these people outside Africa are closely related to Africans as in recent migrants? You know you are contradicting the whole out of Africa migration theory right? Because according to you, black people around the world are not the result of ancient migrations from Africa living in tropical environments but recent migrants. And the DNA supports the ancient migration: [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/PCA_of_Orang_Asli_and_Andamanese_with_world_populations_in_HGDP.png/715px-PCA_of_Orang_Asli_and_Andamanese_with_world_populations_in_HGDP.png[/IMG] https://academic.oup.com/gbe/article/7/5/1206/604030/Unravelling-the-Genetic-History-of-Negritos-and [/QB][/QUOTE]
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