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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [qb]Clyde, you can believe what you want to believe. But only until you are able to provide facts to support those theories will I accept it. And that goes for everybody. The point is I know black people have been in the world since humans left Africa. I don't [b]NEED[/b] them to be recent African migrants to accept this fact. You seem to feel that somehow there has to be some 'RECENT' African ancestry in order to accept these facts. Again, you resort to misrepresenting facts reported by others in order to further your case, using white authors no less and then want to sit up here and argue about "white supremacy". If that is the case, then produce your own DNA studies. Simply trying to hide the fact that your data is faulty behind this claim of "white supremacy" doesn't cut it.[/qb][/QUOTE]You don't want to know the truth. You know my findings are not "faulty" because they are based on data already verified by other researchers. [b]Your problem is not the data, you have an inferiority complex and can not believe anything unless it is written by white "authorities".[/b] I have not misrepresented any facts. The data I cite is accurate and valid. I have presented DNA evidence linking Melenesians and Africans. [IMG]http://olmec98.net/mela1.jpg[/IMG] Here are the genetic markers which point to a relationship between the Melanesians, Australians and Africans according to [b] Cordaux et al.,Mitochodrial DNA analysis reveals diverse tribal histories of tribal populations from India, Eur. J Hum Genet (2003)11(2):253-264,[/b] in figure 2 notes that Clusters X1 and X are found in Africa and the Pacific. [IMG]http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v11/n3/images/5200949f5.gif[/IMG] [URL=http://www.nature.com./ejhg/journal/v11/n3/fig_tab/5200949f5.html#figure-title]Figure 2: Cordaux[/URL] This Figure makes it clear Africans, Australians and Melanesians share haplogroups. The other DNA I compared was the relationship between the African and Melanesian M haplogroups. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [qb] The Main DNA haplogroups of the Pacific are M and N lineages along with some Q lineages, plus some B lineages. Those are not "African" lineages: [IMG]http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/figure/image?size=medium&id=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0052022.g001[/IMG] http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0052022 [/qb][/QUOTE]in addition to Melanesians and Africans carrying Y-chromosomes. Africans also carry mtDNA haplogroups M and M7 like the Melanesians. [IMG]http://olmec98.net/hpM36.jpg[/IMG] [b]It is obvious from the above that I have not misrepresented any of the genomic data I cited.[/b] As I said before, you have presented no archaeological, anthropological or linguistic evidence proving Africans and Melanesians are not related. Doug Stop being an apologist for Eurocentrists who want to separate Blacks in Africa and Melanesia. . [/qb][/QUOTE]Clyde you are making absolutely no sense. You cite studies that say that the Melanesians are the descendants of the first migrants to Asia 50,000 years ago and claim they are supporting your theories. I am done with this. You simply are spamming the same stuff over and over again as if that changes anything when it doesn't. Did you not cite the Cordeaux study? And what does it say: [QUOTE] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1180321/ Am J Hum Genet. 2003 Jun; 72(6): 1586–1590. doi: 10.1086/375407 PMCID: PMC1180321 [b]South Asia, the Andamanese, and the Genetic Evidence for an “Early” Human Dispersal out of Africa Richard Cordaux and Mark Stoneking [i]Otherwise, mtDNA haplotypes in South Asian ethnic groups are most closely related to east Eurasians and do not show any particular ties to African or PNG populations (Kivisild et al. 2003; Cordaux et al. 2003). In addition, an mtDNA control region motif proposed by Forster et al. (2001) to represent a signature of an early migration from Africa to Sahul through the southern route is not found in South Asia (Cordaux et al. 2003). In summary, there is no convincing support to date for a Middle Paleolithic genetic contribution to South Asia by migrants from Africa to Sahul along the southern route. If so, and in light of the genetic and archeological evidence, the most reasonable scenario for the peopling of South Asia is an Upper Paleolithic event (i.e., the major expansion of modern humans out of Africa through the Levant [Lahr and Foley 1994]), from which the current Indian gene pool is derived. Proto-Eurasians subsequently evolved to their present distinct South Asian, East Asian, and European gene pools and expanded ∼30,000 years ago (Forster et al. 2001). Without requiring a Middle Paleolithic migration of modern humans into South Asia, this scenario explains why (i) most South Asian mtDNA clusters coalesce and show signs of demographic expansions ∼30,000 years ago (Kivisild et al. 1999b), (ii) the South Asian mtDNA gene pool is related to (but distinct from) other Eurasian mtDNA pools, (iii) the South Asian mtDNA gene pool does not show close affinities to either Africa or PNG, and (iv) the archeological record does not show evidence for the presence of modern humans in South Asia before ∼30,000 years ago. Hypothesizing a Middle Paleolithic migration to South Asia would create more problems than it would solve: it would, in particular, hardly explain the above crucial points iii and iv.[/i][/b] [/QUOTE]So sorry Clyde, your own "facts" contradict you. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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