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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fourty2Tribes: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] That is correct, 100 Million is too high and a neat number like that should be suspect, Dubois is not right all of the time, despite what Clyde thinks.[/QUOTE]It's not that the number is too neat, it's just difficult to come by. Even with all of the fallen nations and wars it's incredible for Africa to produce that many people that they would be willing to sell which would suggest that it would involve more raiding and trading which is costly. [QUOTE] This whole thread doesn't make sense, you criticize Henry Louis Gates numbers and Clyde, Troll Patrol and Narmertot come around saying he greatly underestimated the number Little did they know you meant that Gates' number was too high at half a million not too low. And even with Gates lower figure you call it "surreal inansity" and to this you say: [/QUOTE]I'm not criticizing Gate's numbers I'm criticizing the fact that he adheres to the half a million number as the bulk of African American ancestry. That to me is insane. If I honestly believed that only .5 million slaves were brought to America I would at least explore the notion that most African Americans are not descendants of such a small population. I think it's insane for people especially African Americans to not question and examine anything that stands out like that especially when Moorish historians have a completely different history that is consistent with the data. [QUOTE]^^^ So you, Mike and maybe Habsburg are in this boat not Troll, Narmertot and Clyde [/QUOTE]I'm open to the possibility but I'm also open to the possibility that it's impossible. Remember we arent just talking about 100 million people we are talking about 200+ million people before a holocaust reduced them to 100 million. [QUOTE] So you use rhetorical spins in one instance about a a half million you question, and then reversing gears you spin from the other direction 100 million that is too high is also questionable But let's be consistent and stop playing these games and use your same source Henry Lewis Gates and his source is the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade Database, edited by professors David Eltis and David Richardson. [/QUOTE]Again the insanity isn't his numbers. His numbers are more feasible than the 100+ million holocaust. [QUOTE] http://www.pbs.org/wnet/african-americans-many-rivers-to-cross/history/how-many-slaves-landed-in-the-us/ The most comprehensive analysis of shipping records over the course of the slave trade is the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade Database, edited by professors David Eltis and David Richardson. (While the editors are careful to say that all of their figures are estimates, I believe that they are the best estimates that we have, the proverbial “gold standard” in the field of the study of the slave trade.) Between 1525 and 1866, in the entire history of the slave trade to the New World, according to the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade Database, 12.5 million Africans were shipped to the New World. 10.7 million survived the dreaded Middle Passage, disembarking in North America, the Caribbean and South America. And how many of these 10.7 million Africans were shipped directly to North America? Only about 388,000. That’s right: a tiny percentage. Why do you keep showing the slave quarters on a ship and ask " Do you think this passes Myth Busters?" Why is it a proablem? Do you have any reason for questioning it or are you in such a deep state of denial -are you so not wanting to be African -are you so desiring to be Native American or Native European that for some reason this illustation of the slave stowage in a ship you cannot digest? [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Slaveshipposter-contrast.jpg/800px-Slaveshipposter-contrast.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE]It's not a matter of what I wan't to be it's a matter of knowing what African Americans really are. I personally love Africa but I have seen first hand how history is falsified and how culturally European African Americans really are. I also find it totally incredible that the native population would decrease by as much as 90% while a population of .5 million experiences the fastest population growth in the history of the world. To make this work I can't live in absolutes or follow historical doctrine. Thus I personally believe that African Americans are all of the above. They are Europeans, Africans and Americans. That is where the evidence takes me and frankly if Skip is looking at .5 million slaves that is where the evidence is aslo taking him. His tone defenses to that fact is what I call a surreal insanity. [QUOTE]what the hell is this supposed to mean? Africans in Jamaica? A "pan-american vessel? " doing what ? shipping African slaves from the Caribbean to the U.S.? Or were these Jamaican nobles on vaction to America? No one knows what the hell you are talking about ________________________________________________ Aboard a Slave Ship, 1829 Robet Walsh http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/slaveship.htm ^^^^ I can't get through this without crying Yes it is difficult to digest, but we must not forget [/qb][/QUOTE]You know exactly what I'm talking about. I'm saying that those sardine slave ships are not transatlantic ships. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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