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[QUOTE]Originally posted by tropicals redacted: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by tropicals redacted: @Professor Ortoz de Montellano [i]don't want to sound dismissive of your laudable efforts and contributions, but I've noticed that even ostensibly egalitarian types draw the line when it comes to the idea of ancient Egyptians as black African.[/i] [b]Is this the litmus test that supersedes everything else? [/b] [/QUOTE]You listed your contributions to civil rights as if that necessarily meant that your approach to the subject was disinterested. As the poster calling himself Truthcentric, who actually endorsed you, commented: [QUOTE] But then, I've learned that even white liberals who take an anti-racist intellectual stance aren't immune to Eurocentric conditioning. It can be a continual battle to overcome subconscious prejudice instilled into you from the larger culture. [/QUOTE]White people marry into black families but still voice racist views. I know this from experience. I'm hoping to get greater insight into why you said that responsible sholars: [b]"Report the state of the literature as up-to-date as possible, and give both sides until one is proven to be correct."[/b] But didn't include findings on ancient Egyptian limb lengths. When I asked you why this was the case, you replied: [QUOTE] I guess it's due to the fact that the thrust of the paper was the wide variety of "magical" attributions to the melanin molecule and [b]not a focus on the precise color of Egyptians[/b] . [/QUOTE]However, it appears that whilst your paper did not focus on the skin colour/population backgrounds of the ancient Egyptians, again, you did take a position: [QUOTE] [b]"[T]he claim that all Egyptians, or even all the pharaohs, were black, is not valid. Most scholars believe that Egyptians in antiquity looked pretty much as they look today, with a gradation of darker shades toward the Sudan."[/b] [/QUOTE]In your last reply, you wrote: [QUOTE] The problem is that the word "black" takes on many different meanings here and elsewhere depending on the intentions of the writer. All africans are "black" but not all "blacks" are African. Sometimes as in this statement "black is a big range of tones from deep black to yellowish-brown (Khoisan) to brown (North Africa). However, when one wants to claim direct African influence (Chinese, Native Americans, Olmecs, Mayas, Dravidians, Japanese,European nobility, etc. etc.) the word "black" can be almost any hue-BUT in this case it is use as a synonym for "African." So that we have "black" i.e. African Chinese, "black" i.e African Native Americans and so forth. I have no problem with "black" in this context being a gradation in color or saying Egyptians are African-- they live in the continent. [/QUOTE]This part of your reply is meandering and obfuscatory. In the ancient Egyptian context, 'black' refers to an individual or population of tropical African descent. The indigenous ancient Egyptians were largely inner African in origin...their limb lengths show this. It's not hard. Like other academics, it also seems that you prefer the idea of the ancient Egyptians as 'African' by dint of their being on the African continent (akin to modern coastal Libyans and Tunisians), rather than what 'African' more commonly denotes. [QUOTE] On the Pharaohs- Again the problem is where do you draw the line between genuinely Ancient Egyptians and Egyptians that no longer qualify. Do The Ptolemies and the Romans qualify? [/QUOTE]I'm not sure I see the relevance of discussing the Ptolemies and Romans here.Some of them intermarried with the local population, but they were European in origin. Again, it's not hard. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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