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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mike111: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl: [qb] I'm not clear what you are after? As Doug M has just pointed out there are black people outside of Africa because of the environment not because they just arrived from Africa in the last 5000 years. [/qb][/QUOTE]That point of confusion is common in many circles. Just because a population has features similar to Africans doesn't mean they just arrived from Africa recently. Case in point the Aeta, Papuans and Andaman Islanders are not genetically close to any African population even though they look African. However, it does support the argument that black African tropically adapted people are the first settlers of the planet as all humans ultimately derive from those types of populations. [/qb][/QUOTE]Quote: Case in point the Aeta, Papuans and Andaman Islanders are not genetically close to any African population even though they look African. Just goes to show how the Albinos shape opinion and though with their teachings. And because certain populations TRUST the Albinos, they never question their definitions or meanings. As this Y-dna chart clearly demonstrates CLOSENESS or PROXIMITY is determined by the SUPPOSED date and order of mutations. [IMG]https://rokus01.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/ydna-genetic-tree.jpg[/IMG] But it doesn't really work: [b]As we can see from the chart, (A) is the first defined mutation, and (R) is the last and most recent human mutation. With C/F & D/E closer to A than to R. So lets see just exactly these people are:[/b] [/qb][/QUOTE]There is a very fundamental misunderstanding here: The tree shows the major macrohaplogroups BUT (very importantly) these macrohaplogroups continue to have mutations that define new haplogroups and haplotypes. Therefore there will be haplotypes of very old haplogroups (i.e A, B ,E) that are of more recent origins than haplotypes that are further down the tree (i.e. P,O, R etc..) For example African haplogroups E1b1a7 and E1b1a associated with the Bantu expansion originated 3.4-5.2 KYA,; while haplogroup R1b originated in Asia about 18KYA. Contrary to the Egypt Search interpretation-- "Africa has the most diverse haplotype variation" This means that new haplotypes have evolved in Africa starting with Macrohaplogroup A 200 KYA, and this is the accumulated variation. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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