^^ Clyde do you comsider these people to be "Black Native American?"
Mike111 Member # 9361
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Lioness - the man on the top is obviously a Albino/Black mulatto, as is the woman.
This type of phenotype is not rare in southern Europe, and is the rule in North Africa and the middle East.
Cypriot:
Italy
Sicilian:
Mike111 Member # 9361
posted ^Iron Bull, seated above, as well as the following,
are ALL Blacks of what I call the "Intermediate" Black phenotype.
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(Old Crow)
(Medicine Pipe)
Mike111 Member # 9361
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Mike111 Member # 9361
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^For comparison, this is a "Negroid" Black:
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Mike111 Member # 9361
posted ^For comparison, these are Caucasoid Blacks:
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Mike111 Member # 9361
posted ^For comparison, these are Mongol and mulatto Mongol Blacks:
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(On the Right)
the lioness, Member # 17353
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So your name is Clyde ?
Mike111 Member # 9361
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^No, it's still Mike, just trying to help.
Below are some Albinos of the various Black phenotypes. As an exercise, why not try to match the Albino to the Black phenotype: like this one already done.
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It should be fun and informative.
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Clyde Winters Member # 10129
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
^^ Clyde do you comsider these people to be "Black Native American?"
The Native American in the top photo No. The bottom picture yes.
Here are two Afro-Americans
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Mike111 Member # 9361
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quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: Here are two Afro-Americans
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I assume you mean Black American Indians.
Can you tell us who they are?
the lioness, Member # 17353
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quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
^^ Clyde do you comsider these people to be "Black Native American?"
The Native American in the top photo No.
Thank you for answering this
If the above man had a child with an African woman the child could be regarded as a Black Native American
Narmerthoth Member # 20259
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I'm with Lionese.
Pre-Columbus Native American
Mike111 Member # 9361
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^He,he,he,he,he:
the lioness, Member # 17353
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
^^ Clyde do you consider these people to be "Black Native American?"
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: bottom picture yes.
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Here is another picture of the same man >>
So you are saying this man is of Paleoamerican descent ?
the lioness, Member # 17353
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below the full Crow delegation. The same man pictured here with the same decorations on his head, his foot pointed at the letter "n" in "delegation"
the same man as at top
Clyde Winters Member # 10129
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: (the bottom picture)
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
^^ Clyde do you consider these people to be "Black Native American?"
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: bottom picture yes.
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Here is another picture of the same man >>
So you are saying this man is of Paleoamerican descent ?
No. He is Black Native American, probably of recent (c. 100-2000BC)African descent.
the lioness, Member # 17353
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Why do you think he is of recent African descent and not Paleoamerican descent ? If this is the case the person would be an African migrant rather than a "Native American"
Clyde Winters Member # 10129
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Why do you think he is of recent African descent and not Paleoamerican descent ? If this is the case the person would be an African migrant rather than a "Native American"
. Not really. The PaleoAmericans were also migrants to America. They were of the four varieties: Australian (100,000) years ago (kya). Next 30-12kya the Khoisan, 12-4kya the Anu pgymies and finally the Sub-Sahran Africans 6kya. The Sub-Saharan (West African) appears to have begun arriving in America at the same time mongoloid Native Americans were settling North and South America. In South America, the mongoloid Native Americans probably mixed with the Anu. In North America, they mixed with the Africans, especially during the Mound Building period.
AAPA Abstracts 2012
Cranial morphology of early human skeletal remains from Lapa do Santo, Lagoa Santa, Brazil: implications for the settlement of the New World.
DANILO V. BERNARDO1, WALTER A. NEVES1, ANDRÉ STRAUSS2, TATIANA F. ALMEIDA3 and RODRIGO E. OLIVEIRA1. 1Laboratory for Human Evolutionary Studies, Department of Genetics and Evolutionary Biology, Biosciences Institute, University of São Paulo, 2Department of Human Evolution, Max-Planck-Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology, 3Children's Institute, School of Medicine of University of São Paulo.
Lapa do Santo is a rock shelter located in Lagoa Santa (central Brazil) where 28 human burials have been excavated since 2001. A subset of 13 burials is of early Holocene age, with six individuals directly dated to between ca. 9,000 and 8,200 BP. The other burials are from different chronological periods, varying to between ca. 5,000 and 7,700 BP. In this study we compared the cranial morphology of eight (five from the older chronological set) best preserved adult skulls recovered from Lapa do Santo with two other early South American paleoamerican series: Sumidouro (n=13), also from Lagoa Santa, and Sabana de Bogota (n=57), from Colombia. The worldwide human cranial variation, represented by 18 populations from Howell’s databank (n=1,684) was also included in the study. The morphological affinities among the series were explored through two different multivariate statistical techniques: Principal Components Analysis and Mahalanobis Distances. Both males and females were used in the analyses and the data was previously treated by means of double standardization to correct for sexual dimorphism and size. Our results show a strong association between Lapa do Santo and the other two South American paleoamerican series represented in the study. Within a worldwide perspective Lapa do Santo shows a clear association with Africans and Australo-Melanesians instead of with Asians and late Amerindians. These results support the idea that the New World was settled by two independent Asian colonizing biological stocks along time. Howell’s databank (n=1,684) was also included in the study. The morphological affinities among the series were explored through two different multivariate statistical techniques: Principal Components Analysis and Mahalanobis Distances. Both males and females were used in the analyses and the data was previously treated by means of double standardization to correct for sexual dimorphism and size. Our results show a strong association between Lapa do Santo and the other two South American paleoamerican series represented in the study. Within a worldwide perspective Lapa do Santo shows a clear association with Africans and Australo-Melanesians instead of with Asians and late Amerindians. These results support the idea that the New World was settled by two independent Asian colonizing biological stocks along time.
. These Botocudo resemble the paleoamericans like Luzia . These are Negroes minus the epicanthic fold.
p The Black Native American from North America resembles a mongoloid West African mix. We clearly see the narrow face, wide nose, high cheekbones and west Africa epicanthic fold . . Note that his wife is Native American. Eventhough mongoloid Native Americans may be dark they usually have a round face. She has a round and flat face.
the lioness, Member # 17353
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quote:Originally posted by: the lioness
So you are saying this man is of Paleoamerican descent ?
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: No. He is Black Native American, probably of recent (c. 100-2000BC)African descent.
Clyde, this guy is African ??
Are you serious?
Clyde Winters Member # 10129
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by: the lioness
So you are saying this man is of Paleoamerican descent ?
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: No. He is Black Native American, probably of recent (c. 100-2000BC)African descent.
Clyde, this guy is African ??
Are you serious?
Yes. I said Black Native American , not African, don't get it twisted.
. Note that his wife is Native American. Eventhough mongoloid Native Americans may be dark they usually have a round face. She has a round and flat face.
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Clyde Winters Member # 10129
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: Here are two Afro-Americans
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I assume you mean Black American Indians.
Can you tell us who they are?
I saw this picture on a video about former Native American slaves in Okalahoma, who came to the territory as slaves of the Native Americans. I don't recall the family name. I call them Afro-Americans because they were not recognized by their Native American masters as Native American. See the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a11blNxkXc
Note the "recognized" legal Native Americans. They look like whites to me. LOL. While granny Phyllis was a slave . LOL. .
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the lioness, Member # 17353
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quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by: the lioness
So you are saying this man is of Paleoamerican descent ?
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: No. He is Black Native American, probably of recent (c. 100-2000BC)African descent.
Clyde, this guy is African ??
Are you serious?
Yes. I said Black Native American , not African, don't get it twisted.
. Note that his wife is Native American. Eventhough mongoloid Native Americans may be dark they usually have a round face. She has a round and flat face.
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You say " I said Black Native American , not African, don't get it twisted."
But you just said : "He is Black Native American,probably of recent (c. 100-2000BC) African descent.
You said African
CelticWarrioress Member # 19701
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Mike NONE of those people except the last one are White. Get it through your dang head we will NOT accept Albino Negros or Albinos or albino Asians,or albinos of other non-White groups as one of us because they are NOT NOR WILL THEY EVER BE one of us.
Mike111 Member # 9361
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^Hush Doxie, you'll hurt their feelings.
That's so mean, treating them like second class Albinos.
Mike111 Member # 9361
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quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Mike NONE of those people except the last one are White. Get it through your dang head we will NOT accept Albino Negros or Albinos or albino Asians,or albinos of other non-White groups as one of us because they are NOT NOR WILL THEY EVER BE one of us.
As you all know, when Doxie says White, she doesn't really mean White, because those other Albinos are just as White as the one she accepts.
So what does Doxie actually mean by White?
CelticWarrioress Member # 19701
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Mike White=Of wholly (100%) non-Jewish,non-Arab, European stock only no exceptions. An Albino Negro is still a Negro NOT White. An Albino Asian is still an Asian NOT White. An Albino of any non-White group is just as non-White as their darker brethren. An Albino White person is White.
kdolo Member # 21830
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Doxie,
You mean Central Asian stock.
The Original Europeans are Black.
CelticWarrioress Member # 19701
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Kdolo, no I meant exactly what I said White child hater. No Black racist pos, Whites are NOT of Central Asian stock,we would have to have come from Central Asia for that to be and we did not. NO the original Europeans are not Black. Where's the proof White child hater? Let's see it.
Mike111 Member # 9361
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^Don't bother responding, Doxie has seen the various studies proving that the original Europeans were Blacks. Classic case of Albino in denial.
Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor Member # 18264
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quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Kdolo, no I meant exactly what I said White child hater. No Black racist pos, Whites are NOT of Central Asian stock,we would have to have come from Central Asia for that to be and we did not. NO the original Europeans are not Black. Where's the proof White child hater? Let's see it.
How Europeans evolved white skin
Common European traits like pale skin evolved relatively recently in central and southern Europe. ST. LOUIS, MISSOURI—Most of us think of Europe as the ancestral home of white people. But a new study shows that pale skin, as well as other traits such as tallness and the ability to digest milk as adults, arrived in most of the continent relatively recently. The work, presented here last week at the 84th annual meeting of the American Association of Physical Anthropologists, offers dramatic evidence of recent evolution in Europe and shows that most modern Europeans don’t look much like those of 8000 years ago.
The origins of Europeans have come into sharp focus in the past year as researchers have sequenced the genomes of ancient populations, rather than only a few individuals. By comparing key parts of the DNA across the genomes of 83 ancient individuals from archaeological sites throughout Europe, the international team of researchers reported earlier this year that Europeans today are a mix of the blending of at least three ancient populations of hunter-gatherers and farmers who moved into Europe in separate migrations over the past 8000 years. The study revealed that a massive migration of Yamnaya herders from the steppes north of the Black Sea may have brought Indo-European languages to Europe about 4500 years ago.
Now, a new study from the same team drills down further into that remarkable data to search for genes that were under strong natural selection—including traits so favorable that they spread rapidly throughout Europe in the past 8000 years. By comparing the ancient European genomes with those of recent ones from the 1000 Genomes Project, population geneticist Iain Mathieson, a postdoc in the Harvard University lab of population geneticist David Reich, found five genes associated with changes in diet and skin pigmentation that underwent strong natural selection.
First, the scientists confirmed an earlier report that the hunter-gatherers in Europe could not digest the sugars in milk 8000 years ago, according to a poster. They also noted an interesting twist: The first farmers also couldn’t digest milk. The farmers who came from the Near East about 7800 years ago and the Yamnaya pastoralists who came from the steppes 4800 years ago lacked the version of the LCT gene that allows adults to digest sugars in milk. It wasn’t until about 4300 years ago that lactose tolerance swept through Europe.
When it comes to skin color, the team found a patchwork of evolution in different places, and three separate genes that produce light skin, telling a complex story for how European’s skin evolved to be much lighter during the past 8000 years. The modern humans who came out of Africa to originally settle Europe about 40,000 years are presumed to have had dark skin, which is advantageous in sunny latitudes. And the new data confirm that about 8500 years ago, early hunter-gatherers in Spain, Luxembourg, and Hungary also had darker skin: They lacked versions of two genes—SLC24A5 and SLC45A2—that lead to depigmentation and, therefore, pale skin in Europeans today.
But in the far north—where low light levels would favor pale skin—the team found a different picture in hunter-gatherers: Seven people from the 7700-year-old Motala archaeological site in southern Sweden had both light skin gene variants, SLC24A5 and SLC45A2. They also had a third gene, HERC2/OCA2, which causes blue eyes and may also contribute to light skin and blond hair. Thus ancient hunter-gatherers of the far north were already pale and blue-eyed, but those of central and southern Europe had darker skin.
Then, the first farmers from the Near East arrived in Europe; they carried both genes for light skin. As they interbred with the indigenous hunter-gatherers, one of their light-skin genes swept through Europe, so that central and southern Europeans also began to have lighter skin. The other gene variant, SLC45A2, was at low levels until about 5800 years ago when it swept up to high frequency.
The team also tracked complex traits, such as height, which are the result of the interaction of many genes. They found that selection strongly favored several gene variants for tallness in northern and central Europeans, starting 8000 years ago, with a boost coming from the Yamnaya migration, starting 4800 years ago. The Yamnaya have the greatest genetic potential for being tall of any of the populations, which is consistent with measurements of their ancient skeletons. In contrast, selection favored shorter people in Italy and Spain starting 8000 years ago, according to the paper now posted on the bioRxiv preprint server. Spaniards, in particular, shrank in stature 6000 years ago, perhaps as a result of adapting to colder temperatures and a poor diet.
Surprisingly, the team found no immune genes under intense selection, which is counter to hypotheses that diseases would have increased after the development of agriculture.
The paper doesn’t specify why these genes might have been under such strong selection. But the likely explanation for the pigmentation genes is to maximize vitamin D synthesis, said paleoanthropologist Nina Jablonski of Pennsylvania State University (Penn State), University Park, as she looked at the poster’s results at the meeting. People living in northern latitudes often don’t get enough UV to synthesize vitamin D in their skin so natural selection has favored two genetic solutions to that problem—evolving pale skin that absorbs UV more efficiently or favoring lactose tolerance to be able to digest the sugars and vitamin D naturally found in milk. “What we thought was a fairly simple picture of the emergence of depigmented skin in Europe is an exciting patchwork of selection as populations disperse into northern latitudes,” Jablonski says. “This data is fun because it shows how much recent evolution has taken place.”
Anthropological geneticist George Perry, also of Penn State, notes that the work reveals how an individual’s genetic potential is shaped by their diet and adaptation to their habitat. “We’re getting a much more detailed picture now of how selection works.”
Subject: Ancient Scripts and Languages Article: 11 The Eastern expansion Dr. Haluk Berkmen
"The expansion of Asiatic tribes through North-Eastern Asia into North-America is a well attested fact, supported both linguistically and genetically. We saw that the Saka people were and are still known as the Scythians (see Chapter 4, The Asiatic Scythians). These people are also known under the name of Yakut. Although the origin of “Yakut” is not clear, most probably Yaku is a transposition of Yuka, where “a” and “u” have changed place. The suffix –t is found in many Turkish words. For example: kanıt, boyut, soyut, gömüt,….etc. Another group of people next to the Yukagir are the Koryak. This name is made of the “kor” root word and the suffix “-yak”. Kor means ‘ember’ and yak means ‘burn’ in Turkish, so the name Koryak can be understood as “glowing ember”."
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note: kor = mbor/membuat(Malay:build fire/hut/baby) + yak/bakar(Malay)burn
kor (Turk) embr cf wombelly/embellish/build/b.ore(English:drill-pierce/g.ore(Basque:up(hill), English:pierce-wound)/bort-birth ~ baruch(Uighur:hill, Hebrew: brea(th/st)/bless/u.p.raise
The Original Africans/Europeans/Asians/Americans/Australians/Papuans were Pygmies
kdolo Member # 21830
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'How Europeans evolved white skin'
This article sounds like typical drivel....
Anybody care to dissect it ???
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CelticWarrioress Member # 19701
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Sorry Troll Patrol I don't believe it. I don't believe Anti-White garbage. As I said before I don't believe the so called Indo(Indian) Europeans were White, I think the Roma are the descendants of those people.
Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor Member # 18264
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quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Sorry Troll Patrol I don't believe it. I don't believe Anti-White garbage. As I said before I don't believe the so called Indo(Indian) Europeans were White, I think the Roma are the descendants of those people.
What "you believe" is not relevant. You should bring evidence to the table, Dox.
And yes, technically the Roma are from Northern India.
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